Putting The Blame Where It Belongs

[Packnut]

TT

I'll debate the merits of TT with anyone anytime. The facts are on my side and his moves when it comes to the mistakes he's made can't be debated. My problem with people on this forum is that to many argue with only their opinion and nothing to back it up.

However, unlike TT I am not an egotistical person and realize that although they are only opinions without fact, they still need to be respected. Some people here obviously have no problem getting shut out and embarrassed by our biggest rival and continue to make excuses. This "things will get better" crap is nothing but wishfull thinking. I'm sure the fans in SF and Det and Buff thought the same thing at one time or another.

I can say that 2 yrs from now when we are still the laughingstock of the league, I will take no pleasure in saying "I told ya so". No, at that point all the discussion will center around how the new GM has to fix the problems created by TT just as it was TT who had to try and fix what Sherman did.

[Packers4Ever]

I'm not going to argue with the premise of your post, but wanted you to know that M3 was asked about not challenging that 4th-and-inches spot and he said that he didn't have enough information on the sidelines to challenge it. So I wanna know, who is responsible up in the booth for getting a good look at it and telling him it might be worth challenging? I mean he challenged the obvious fumble for the hell of it, why not this which was much closer?

Zig, did you watch the Mike McCarthy show tonight, it was on at 6:30 or so. He was asked this same question about not having challenged the 4th and inches call. He said there was someone upstairs and I thought he said Schottenheimer (sp) so if true, he was the one who didn't get the word down to Mike.
I thought he was rather evasive on several questions tonight. Of course, what could he say? People see what's going on.

[MJZiggy]

I'm not in market, so I have to wait until they get the show on packers.com so I have not seen it yet. Thanks for letting me know. If Schott was responsible then he needs to be schott. (or at least fired). He's done this job before, he's supposed to be the one guy on the coaching staff who knows the drill. There's no excuse for the coach not knowing whether the spot was right or not.

[MJZiggy]

Actually while we're on the topic of officiating, I think the officials should have the opportunity to take a look at the replay on the jumbotron and be given the opportunity to say that they might have been wrong and change a call based on what they see. If everyone else gets the chance to do that, why shouldn't the guy whose job it is to make the calls get to.

[Packers4Ever]

Actually while we're on the topic of officiating, I think the officials should have the opportunity to take a look at the replay on the jumbotron and be given the opportunity to say that they might have been wrong and change a call based on what they see. If everyone else gets the chance to do that, why shouldn't the guy whose job it is to make the calls get to.

Makes sense to me, I wonder why they don't. Or would they then call 'delay of game' ??

[MJZiggy]

I wouldn't care if it meant getting the right call.

[Packers4Ever]

I wouldn't care if it meant getting the right call.

I'm very sure no one here would care either, including myself. If it took an extra 2 minutes they could just deduct it off the next commercial.

[woodbuck27]

I'll wait until the end of next year to judge Thompson. Yes, the end of next year. You have to give a GM three years to evaluate them. By then, all of these young guys will be hitting their stride, and we'll see what the team looks like.

BTW, Cleveland's defense vs. Chicago's defense = HUGE difference

Are you seriously going to put in another year losing if we win six or less games Harvey?

I had thought maybe that 7-9 wasn't unrealistic but after Suday... 7-9 is like climbing Mount Everest without training.

We will win between 1 and 5 games as OUR blocking /OL is and NO MORE.

I don't make or like to make predictions, especially one so negative on a team I love. I hate what has been done to Brett Favre. After all his hard work. I hate what will happen to Ahman Green. Will it be this next game or the next... but something serious will take place. With OUR OL. It hast to.

It really piss's me off.

The day that Ted Thompson is FIRED will be a GOOD ,a VERY GOOD DAY. The sooner the better.He has left OUR Team crippled in his need for his faulty ego.

The Saints come in on Sunday... and after the way we man handled them last Season. It will be "in their minds"... payback time. . . and payback's........ " a BITCH ".

We must pull out ALL THE STOPS, to win that return visit, and what does Mike McCarthy really have for "the Saints" as far as Offensive play calimg? We are terrible.

We played badly last year in preseason games (2-2) and finished 4-12.This year in TC we were worse in preseason games at 1 - 3.

I agree with the following;

Author: Josh Fiedler

Conventional wisdom usually tell us that preseason is not good for much, that a team's performance in its first four games of the year before the "real" season starts does little to determine how well the team will do in the following 16 contests. I have always disagreed. It would seem that a team that struggles in the preseason is more likely to struggle in the regular season and that the ancillary to that would be true with a team that has successes.



Harvey:

If we loose badly on Sunday... that's NOT going to be pretty.

Something BIG has to be and will be done. Something really BIG - BAD ASS Ugly. If people here really are swolling TT's BS? I feel badly for them. For what good reason should any of us expect that TT could survive back to back 4-12 seasons or less win's for us than in 2005?

[MJZiggy]

I wouldn't care if it meant getting the right call.

I'm very sure no one here would care either, including myself. If it took an extra 2 minutes they could just deduct it off the next commercial.

Just to let you know that we're not the only ones thinking about this issue...

Dolphins | Saban wants NFL to adopt NCAA replay system
Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:52:47 -0700

Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban would like for the NFL to adopt the college football replay system, in which a replay official can review and overrule a ruling made by an on-field official. "I did go home on Saturday night, and I watched parts of several college football games," Saban said. "Man, that seems like it works a whole lot better to me. They just look at in the booth and if the official messed it up, they fix it."

[Packers4Ever]

I wouldn't care if it meant getting the right call.

I'm very sure no one here would care either, including myself. If it took an extra 2 minutes they could just deduct it off the next commercial.

Just to let you know that we're not the only ones thinking about this issue...

Dolphins | Saban wants NFL to adopt NCAA replay system
Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:52:47 -0700

Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban would like for the NFL to adopt the college football replay system, in which a replay official can review and overrule a ruling made by an on-field official. "I did go home on Saturday night, and I watched parts of several college football games," Saban said. "Man, that seems like it works a whole lot better to me. They just look at in the booth and if the official messed it up, they fix it."

I'm sure Nick Saban would love to see that rule put into play for the NFL. Until a year ago he'd been HC of LSU in LA (according to a friend) and they miss Nick terribly down there. Bet he sure misses that college replay system!
That was a real plum for the Dolphins to pick him up, he should be a great leader.

[Partial]

I wouldn't care if it meant getting the right call.

I'm very sure no one here would care either, including myself. If it took an extra 2 minutes they could just deduct it off the next commercial.

Just to let you know that we're not the only ones thinking about this issue...

Dolphins | Saban wants NFL to adopt NCAA replay system
Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:52:47 -0700

Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban would like for the NFL to adopt the college football replay system, in which a replay official can review and overrule a ruling made by an on-field official. "I did go home on Saturday night, and I watched parts of several college football games," Saban said. "Man, that seems like it works a whole lot better to me. They just look at in the booth and if the official messed it up, they fix it."

And Nick Saban has it absolutely right. There is no reason you should need to wisely safe your challenges in order to get the correct call on the field. The less the referees judgement is involved in the game the better.

[The Shadow]

".....However, the Packer world seem's to be united in putting the blame where it belongs-right on TT's head. "

Please don't include me in the 'united' group.
I think this team needed to be gutted & rebuilt.
Thompson has the thankless (for now) job of making the tough decisions to get the Packers competitive again.
I'm in his corner and will allow him time to see if he can pull it off.

[vince]

".....However, the Packer world seem's to be united in putting the blame where it belongs-right on TT's head. "

Please don't include me in the 'united' group.
I think this team needed to be gutted & rebuilt.
Thompson has the thankless (for now) job of making the tough decisions to get the Packers competitive again.
I'm in his corner and will allow him time to see if he can pull it off.

I'm with you, Shadow, but I think things will get worse for Ted before they get better. I am pretty confident he'll survive the heat, but I think he'll be a popular topic for conversation throughout Packer Nation the next couple months ... He certainly has chosen a risky path... In today's day and age, the kind of understanding of the complexities of the process and patience Harvey will employ is an increasingly rare quality.

[Packnut]

Fans

".....However, the Packer world seem's to be united in putting the blame where it belongs-right on TT's head. "

Please don't include me in the 'united' group.
I think this team needed to be gutted & rebuilt.
Thompson has the thankless (for now) job of making the tough decisions to get the Packers competitive again.
I'm in his corner and will allow him time to see if he can pull it off.

I'm very heartened by the amount of Pack fans who do not take getting our ass whipped by the Bears as lightly as some here do, but then again I just assume some just don't get the rivalry. As for the gutting and rebuilding crap, TT gets paid a ton of cash to field a competitive team. I find it very funny that several of the same posters who complained about Walker and made comments about him not "earning" the cash his first 2 years are now content to give TT a few yrs while he earns a good sum of cash also. Why does he deserve a free pass?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Apples to oranges.

Besides, he's not one of the highest paid GMs in the league, so even if it was an apples to apples comparison, it wouldn't be much of one.