What’s your early take on Jordan Love?

[GB-Brandon]

This rebuilding talk is ridiculous on its face.

1. Why sign Rodgers to the extension?
2. Why sign ANY of the FA last year?
3. If you signed them but have changed your mind, why not trade bodies to collect picks?
4. You partially tanked to help clear the decks of McCarthy. Why not do the same for Rodgers?

This isn't a team rebuilding. It is a team stuck with too many needs and too many vets. Confused might be the worst you could call it.

Or its a team that still plans on competing:

Ryan Wood @ByRyanWood

Gutekunst says not fair to Jordan Love right now to say the new first-round pick will be Aaron Rodgers' eventual replacement as #Packers starting QB. "We've got the best quarterback in the National Football League, and we plan to have him for awhile, competing for championships."

If there stuck with so many needs then why did they ignore those needs and come out with 3 luxury picks over the first 3 rounds using 4 picks to get them.

Back up QB is more important then a no. 2 receiver in the best receiver class since 2012?

A big bruise RB2 was more important then and solid DE replacement over “Team Northwestern”

An H-Back was more important then getting a solid RT(Lucas Niang) that had a chance to be a fixture at RT for years

Sorry but back up QB’s and Bruiser RB’s and H-backs aren’t even high $ positions.

These guys are Fucken Idiots and I can’t believe some people on here can’t see it. This is total garbage. Everyone should be outraged.

This is one of two things. They are either phasing into a Tennessee Titans style offense and rebuilding for that with JL being part of the plan or They are the worst Talent evaluators we’ve ever had. It’s that simple.

[GB-Brandon]

I’m so sad that some of you fear a rebuild and losing for several years but that’s what is coming.

The Fucken plug has been pulled.

[Bretsky]

They are moving toward a Tennessee way .to build a team and none of us saw that. Unfortunately we don't have the personnell to do this currently. And it might be a painful process and we'll see if it works. Short term, it's not going to help our chances of seeing a SB with AROD winding down

[GB-Brandon]

They are moving toward a Tennessee way .to build a team and none of us saw that. Unfortunately we don't have the personnell to do this currently. And it might be a painful process and we'll see if it works. Short term, it's not going to help our chances of seeing a SB with AROD winding down

Exactly, and there are a few clues like the Jenkins pick last year. The Billy Turner acquisition. There completely going to what is going on in Tennessee. This year they get the right QB to fit it. That’s why Love was chased. He actually does fit the profile for that body of work I must admit. Rodgers really doesn’t fit it at his age and play style. That’s not his game. Rodgers needs an OC like Arians or McDanials.

Then they go get the 6’2 H-Back that can catch and block. Drafting Dillion in the second round is what finally gave it away and made it obvious. They will add the rest of the pieces over the next 2-3 years as we lose games and they get better draft positions.

This Super Bowl run is officially over. The bomb between Rodgers and LaFleur will go off soon enough as Rodgers already has this figured out. Rodgers isn’t stupid. Love will most likely take over at some point soon and Rodgers will be traded.

Bakhtiari- Traded

D. Adams- Traded

Kenny Clark- No Contract extension

Aaron Jones - No contract extension

Lowry- Released after this season

Wagner- Released after this season

Kevin King- Not Brought back

Adrian Amos- Traded

So yeah, there is gonna be a lot of losing and the run is over. The Rodgers era is also officially over.

I think the Packers might eventually have some limited success like the “Titans” but overall will be a mediocre regime.

[Bretsky]

I hear voices on each shoulder.

One says we're completely revamping our offensive philosophies and moving forward to the future and that will have a negative impact on the present

The other voice says Gutebag just completely shit on himself this weekend and got owned. He just misread things while others read his move and trumped every card he wanted to play.


Either explanation does not bode well for the near future IMO

[GB-Brandon]

I hear voices on each shoulder.

One says we're completely revamping our offensive philosophies and moving forward to the future and that will have a negative impact on the present

The other voice says Gutebag just completely shit on himself this weekend and got owned. He just misread things while others read his move and trumped every card he wanted to play.


Either explanation does not bode well for the near future IMO

Yeah, it’s so much “cumulative damage” that at this point the best case scenario is that we’re going through a massive philosophy change. The other option that we all wanted is dead without any chance of resuscitation.

I was really mad about it last night because I wanted so bad for Rodgers to get another ring with Packers to salvage some of the disappointment but it’s too far gone now. Rodgers is wasting his time on this roster and also wasting Gute/LaFluer’s time. And yes LaFluer was right in the middle of this whole change happening.

[GB-Brandon]

I bet Belichick would love and appreciate Rodgers. That would be a match made in heaven for Rodgers to finish his career. You know Belichick would load hm up with weapons!!!

[Bretsky]

well I was the guy who wanted McDaniels as our Head Coach and Eliott Wolf as our GM so I'm a bit out there

I also thought we had serious holes to fill to have a chance to complete with the likes of New Orleans and San Francisco, who are CLEARLY in win now mode.

If after day two you'd have told me before the draft we would have taken no WR"s I'd have dropped my job
If you'd have told me after day two we'd have taken no WR's AND no LB's and no OL I'd have shit on myself.

I'm still in shock; the deepest WR class ever and by the time we select again we'll be in the 20's of the WR list. Crazy shit

I don't think it's hard to see we need imimediate improvement and we were a playoff team last year but not of the quality of most 13 and 3 record teams. We needed to catch up as opposed to stepping backwards and planning for the departure of our two Aaron's.

[wist43]

Exactly, and there are a few clues like the Jenkins pick last year. The Billy Turner acquisition. There completely going to what is going on in Tennessee. This year they get the right QB to fit it. That’s why Love was chased. He actually does fit the profile for that body of work I must admit. Rodgers really doesn’t fit it at his age and play style. That’s not his game. Rodgers needs an OC like Arians or McDanials.

Then they go get the 6’2 H-Back that can catch and block. Drafting Dillion in the second round is what finally gave it away and made it obvious. They will add the rest of the pieces over the next 2-3 years as we lose games and they get better draft positions.

This Super Bowl run is officially over. The bomb between Rodgers and LaFleur will go off soon enough as Rodgers already has this figured out. Rodgers isn’t stupid. Love will most likely take over at some point soon and Rodgers will be traded.

Bakhtiari- Traded

D. Adams- Traded

Kenny Clark- No Contract extension

Aaron Jones - No contract extension

Lowry- Released after this season

Wagner- Released after this season

Kevin King- Not Brought back

Adrian Amos- Traded

So yeah, there is gonna be a lot of losing and the run is over. The Rodgers era is also officially over.

I think the Packers might eventually have some limited success like the “Titans” but overall will be a mediocre regime.

I agree with most that, but we're not going to be trading all those guys. Rodgers yes, but Amos and P Smith will just walk after 2021. Hopefully they can trade Bak in a sign and trade.

Everything depends on how soon they are able to move Rodgers, what they get for him, and what his cap hit will be.

Long term, the best case scenario would be to fail spectacularly this year and next, and we can completely clean house.

[GB-Brandon]

I agree with most that, but we're not going to be trading all those guys. Rodgers yes, but Amos and P Smith will just walk after 2021. Hopefully they can trade Bak in a sign and trade.

Everything depends on how soon they are able to move Rodgers, what they get for him, and what his cap hit will be.

Long term, the best case scenario would be to fail spectacularly this year and next, and we can completely clean house.

Well its gonna get hot and heavy real soon because Rodgers is a big time competitor and he won’t want to be involved in LaFluers tanking ways. The big thing right now is are they gonna play a season or not. I have a feeling once they get going again Rodgers and LaFleur aren’t gonna last long together on the same field. It’s gonna snap fast.

How soon can they trade Rodgers and what would the value be you think? Would the trading partner have to take on his full contract?

[Radagast]

It never ceases to amaze me how those that criticize the loudest, have the least actual football experience or training. Like "Chicken Little" they run around claiming that the "sky is falling". The Packers "sky" is not falling, but evolving. Each season change is the one constant that is ever present. Players come and go, Coaches come and go, and it applies to management as well.

Most hoped that a need at WR would get 1st or at least 2nd priority in the 2020 draft. The final 4 rounds remain to still address this perceived need, and GM Gutekunst is fully aware of the Packers needs. Like a year ago, the acquisition of 2 fellows named Smith resolved many positional worries.

Drafting TE Josiah Deguara may at first sight look like GB went and drafted a too small and underweight player that does not fit the typical TE mould, but there could be a method to this perceived madness. Deguara is extremely strong and carries more weight than a "normal" WR. He should be more capable of withstanding those terrible hits that receivers get catching passes in the middle of the field. A suddenly appearing "4th" receiver that regularly catches and absorbs the hits while holding on to the ball, could force opposing defenses to change their pass coverage schemes. That may not be all that TEs Sternberger and Deguara could bring to the 2020 Packers.

GM Brian Gutekunst has not been perfect, he has made at least 1 poor decision sense he became the Packers GM. Yet it must be understood that as he prepares for the next season, he must also not neglect the teams future either. J.Love is certainly no threat to Aaron Rodgers now or until he retires, however we should not overlook how unplanned for things occur and there should be a backup plan in place. Love may just get the coaching/training/and seasoning that might find him stepping up one day as others have done with other teams.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers was a terrible pick too. And Nick Collins. Favre was a terrible trade. The list goes on.

Exactly. All of those things seemed true at the time.

[texaspackerbacker]

This is the right song - probably or maybe - that we will be singing 10 or 15 years from now. Think about it, right now it's "All You Need is Rodgers" - no matter how mediocre the rest of the team has been, we have always been right near the top, you could pretty much say because of Rodgers alone. Is Love gonna be that good or near it? Who knows, but I wouldn't bet against it - not because Gutekunst is so intelligent or anything, but just because it seems to be the nature or destiny of the Packers to have that kind of QB situation. Ya know, Vince is still up there making things happen.

Can we put together something more than mediocrity around either Rodgers or Love, though? Sings point to no.

[ZachMN]

No one can explain the logic of these picks. I was hoping to see some intelligent comments but everyone in the world has lost their minds at this point starting with the brain trust in charge of drafting. Good luck with that subpar D line and ILB set up you want to use. I would just have Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Aubrn's D linemen and LB's on my board and draft as many as I could. Worried about a backup qb? One year deal with a retread ex starter. You draft Prissy Erin's replacement two years from now. Draft a running back? What? Lot of those will be available in FA. 2 year prove it deal there. Don't waste my time with this logic. At this stage of the NFL you only draft certain positions...the critical ones. The rest you pick up form roster cuts. Minimum deals.

[mraynrand]

No one can explain the logic of these picks.

I think the simple answer is that they are building Flowers’ offense. Love is insurance and the future. He’s there if Rodgers gets hurt, fades and/or if Rodgers just can’t get with the program. There’s a new sheriff in town and he wants to run his offense the way he sees fit. And he’s getting the pieces to do it.