Official 2021 NFL Draft Thread

[RashanGary]

It's WAY more Rodgers than Gute IMO

And I truly do disagree with this. Offense is 40% of the game and the QB is 1/3 of the offense so maybe 15% of the overall team. You end up with a stafford situation if your QB doesn’t have a team around him.

[Upnorth]

I think the jury's still out on him.

Look at that offense. The best players on that offense are the following:

Rodgers
Bakhtieri
Linsley
Adams
Jones
Tonyan

Five of the six came from the much-maligned Ted Thompson.

Gute had a big hit with Jaire Alexander. The Z Smith signing looks good, the Rashan Gary pick looks like it's panning out (to my surprise). There have been some other good picks. But it's too soon to judge Gute.

Those first 5 are all awesome. On oline jenkins is better than linsley imo. Runyon looks dam good on limited snaps. Without wagner we are no where near the oline atbthe end of the season. Dillion coming off covid and performance when given the chance makes me okay with losing jones.
And imaging where yhis d is with out the smiths or gary or jaire?
Dont try to say its all ted.

[texaspackerbacker]

I never liked Ted Thompson. He got lucky with Aaron Rodgers, both having him fall that far and having him turn out to be the GOAT. Other than that, he did very little to maximize the team. I even considered in the early Thompson days that his aim was to let the Packers fade into mediocrity and then have the team move. Because of Rodgers, of course, that didn't happen. but it wasn't that far-fetched.

Gutekunst IMO is off to a good start - maybe only good, not great. It's hard to say where drafting skill and drafting luck meet. Getting a relatively unknown Jaire Alexander and a few picks later a nationally acclaimed Josh Jackson demonstrates that. Which one was luck, and which one was skill? Who knows. I woulda predicted it to go the opposite way with those two at the time of the draft. Like Upnorth said, though, he has plenty of successes.

[texaspackerbacker]

And I truly do disagree with this. Offense is 40% of the game and the QB is 1/3 of the offense so maybe 15% of the overall team. You end up with a stafford situation if your QB doesn’t have a team around him.

Both of those percentages seem too low, but your point is fairly valid. Stafford is more than decent, but the team failed. Part of that, however, was the mentality of Stafford (and just about every QB other than Aaron Rodgers) to take more risks and throw more interceptions.

[GB-Brandon]

And I truly do disagree with this. Offense is 40% of the game and the QB is 1/3 of the offense so maybe 15% of the overall team. You end up with a stafford situation if your QB doesn’t have a team around him.

Really? Are you Fucken Serious? Rodgers took teams with the 31st ranked overall ranked defense to Champ Games! He also Muscled Playoff Wins with guys like Janis, RR & Abbrederis on deck!!! I don’t know if there has ever been anyone that has done more with less!!

Stafford has never even won a Fucken Playoff Game!!! Your Nuts!!! Just BLASPHEMY!!!

[Bretsky]

And I truly do disagree with this. Offense is 40% of the game and the QB is 1/3 of the offense so maybe 15% of the overall team. You end up with a stafford situation if your QB doesn’t have a team around him.

Now I officially think you have lost your mind

[GB-Brandon]

There are some Packer fans that are in for a BIG BIG BIG surprise coming up. Many deserve what they are gonna get.

Cray Cray Territory!!!

[run pMc]

Both of those percentages seem too low, but your point is fairly valid. Stafford is more than decent, but the team failed. Part of that, however, was the mentality of Stafford (and just about every QB other than Aaron Rodgers) to take more risks and throw more interceptions.

I think a QB is about 20-25%, you need a competent defense and ST with a couple of playmakers to make the playoffs. It being a passing league, the joke is a QB at least as good as in-his-prime Andy Dalton is the bare minimum to sniff the playoffs. A Sam Bradford/Mark Sanchez type isn't gonna cut it. Once you find a QB who qualifies you want to keep them and build around them, unless you're convinced they are maxed out and not good enough (see: Wentz, Carson) and you want to keep looking. It all starts with a QB though: 20% for one of 22 spots is a big deal.

Stafford is an interesting case. He had Calvin Johnson for 7 seasons and they only managed 2 winning seasons, both ending in WC losses. A good QB can get you a chance, but you need other players to step up.

[GB-Brandon]

THE DELUSION IS UNREAL!! This is a fanbase that has been spoiled rotten with HOF QB play for 30 years so they don’t appreciate it!! By reading these posts and the attitude it’s almost treated as a “Given”. They are about to find out real soon though and it’s gonna be a lot of well deserved MISERY. You’d think they’d get it with seeing Hundley out there in “17” or Tolzein in “13”. I guess that wasn’t enough!!

It’s gonna be worse this time cause Rodgers ISN’T COMING BACK!!!!

[RashanGary]

A great GM will find a great QB. No worries

[GB-Brandon]

Looks like the Bears are working on one.

https://www.facebook.com/427153017307591/posts/4023440151012175/?d=n

[Upnorth]

I think a QB is about 20-25%, you need a competent defense and ST with a couple of playmakers to make the playoffs. It being a passing league, the joke is a QB at least as good as in-his-prime Andy Dalton is the bare minimum to sniff the playoffs. A Sam Bradford/Mark Sanchez type isn't gonna cut it. Once you find a QB who qualifies you want to keep them and build around them, unless you're convinced they are maxed out and not good enough (see: Wentz, Carson) and you want to keep looking. It all starts with a QB though: 20% for one of 22 spots is a big deal.

Stafford is an interesting case. He had Calvin Johnson for 7 seasons and they only managed 2 winning seasons, both ending in WC losses. A good QB can get you a chance, but you need other players to step up.

I think Stafford is better than a lot of people think. As to megatron, hell of a player but wr isn't a huge impact position without help from the running game and other wr. One guy can only do so much. Kind of a theme in the threads right now.
I think qbs are close to 25 or 30% of the solution. If they have a great line and good game plan they might get to 35 or 40%. I mean we have arguably the goat right now and when he had a bad game plan we actually debated what was wrong and is he washed up? 2018 and we went 6-9-1 and that is with a probable goat! It is a team sport.

[GB-Brandon]

I think Stafford is better than a lot of people think. As to megatron, hell of a player but wr isn't a huge impact position without help from the running game and other wr. One guy can only do so much. Kind of a theme in the threads right now.
I think qbs are close to 25 or 30% of the solution. If they have a great line and good game plan they might get to 35 or 40%. I mean we have arguably the goat right now and when he had a bad game plan we actually debated what was wrong and is he washed up? 2018 and we went 6-9-1 and that is with a probable goat! It is a team sport.

But But But But But Rodgers has won and made runs with less then perfect WR’s and not much of a running game and bad defenses for years? Sure these last couple years we had a good running game and maybe a little here and there with Lacy but nothing amazing over the long haul!! We certainly haven’t been the BENCHMARK OF SUCCESS ON DEFENSE! We’ve had some pretty good receivers on and off but other then Adams nothing ever like Megatron!!! Detroit has flooded Stafford with good receivers!!! Stafford isn’t even in the same league as Rodgers as far as advanced metrics rating or playoff wins or. ANYTHING!!!

Stafford throws way more picks then Rodgers and this once again is just STUPID!!!!! DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!

[GB-Brandon]

You can’t say what percentage a QB attributes to a team and apply that on a “Macro Level.” It’s so DUMB. Every QB is different and some more talented then others therefore QB’s like Rodgers or Mahommes are much higher then 15%-25% where others like Stafford might hit that percentage! To just say all QB’s are a certain percentage is some real STUPID SHIT because they are all not EQUAL of what they contribute to their respective teams!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Many pundits believe and me as well that you could put Rodgers on just about any team in the league and they IMMEDIATELY become a playoff team so Stick That in your little calculations. Your dealing with a HOF QB here that many believe is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!

Yeah, That’s how bad the front office has fucked this all up!