Official Free Agency/Offseason/Non-Draft Thread

[sharpe1027]

You guys are like a bunch of drunken sailors who see a pretty girl sitting at the end of the bar and empty your pockets buying her drinks because you think you'll get lucky. Later, in a drunken haze, you reach up under her dress and you find out she's a tranny.

That was you?

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, there is a difference I think between desire and ability to keep jones. Of course we could keep him but at what cost. He had already supposedly turned down 10 mil per earlier this year so why bother at that point?

I have softened on my 'this was a bad move' stance a bit and I am waiting for details on the contract.

Did you post that before or after we signed him? His cap hit should be down around $5 million this season - more later, but so what, the cap will be much higher. This kind of deal - what I've been talking about all along - shows that Gutekunst knows how to use the cap. That plus we apparently got Jones for a little less than what some other teams might have been offering. Now the negativists are saying maybe it is in effect only a two year deal - cut him after two. I think Jones stays the whole four - barring serious injury - and the Packers will be thankful for it.

And to those in here and the podcast fools saying we don't any ability to sign more, wtih a Z. Smith restructure and extending Rodgers to the max and extending D. Adams a decent number of years too, we would have as much as $35-40 million in cap space to go out and get a quality Corner and D Lineman - as Gutekunst supposedly is looking to do.

[Upnorth]

I have been saying jones is gone for a while like going back to when cook and kamara signed there deals and the draft of dillion so yes from before he supposedly turned down the 10 million. Now that his non incentivised average per year is 9.5 mill im not as concerned but still hate thought of dead money. Most of what we get from z or adams restructure is likely eaten up by jones this year leaving us with less to shop with in a good shoping year.

My thinking is its like having jones and dillion vrs having dillion and Williams and desmond King (cb)

I do like jones low milage and think he will earn his contract but you have to recognize the opportunity cost.

I also think there will be some hang over of the contracts signed throughout the league this year and 2023 fa will be crazy town again so we can restock then for the Love run starting 2024. (I bet you appreciate that tex)

[Upnorth]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/16/packers-tender-all-4-exclusive-rights-free-agents-including-wr-allen-lazard/

Packers do the obvious.
Regarding Lazard since he is a rfa next year do we see how his first few games go and then start working on an extension?

[Fritz]

That was you?

Good one!

[Joemailman]

Lions releasing DT Danny Shelton. Never lived up to his billing as a high draft pick, but a pretty good run stuffer inside.

[texaspackerbacker]

I have been saying jones is gone for a while like going back to when cook and kamara signed there deals and the draft of dillion so yes from before he supposedly turned down the 10 million. Now that his non incentivised average per year is 9.5 mill im not as concerned but still hate thought of dead money. Most of what we get from z or adams restructure is likely eaten up by jones this year leaving us with less to shop with in a good shoping year.

My thinking is its like having jones and dillion vrs having dillion and Williams and desmond King (cb)

I do like jones low milage and think he will earn his contract but you have to recognize the opportunity cost.

I also think there will be some hang over of the contracts signed throughout the league this year and 2023 fa will be crazy town again so we can restock then for the Love run starting 2024. (I bet you appreciate that tex)

We still should be able to get Desmond King or somebody of similar quality - easily. Having only Dillon and J. Williams would have worsened the Packers considerably compared to having a breakaway threat like Aaron Jones. I doubt there will ever be any dead money from this contract, and the cap hit won't even take up a significant part of the savings from restructuring Z. Smith. The "opportunity cost" is not too high when you consider the uniqueness of Jones, the type of runner and the type of character he apparently is.

Not sure what you're talking about - "some hang over of the contracts signed throughout the league this year". The cap should be drastically higher then, accommodating the back loading that a lot of teams are doing. I think you were the one who talked about desire and ability or whatever. If Love has any significant ability, I for one still don't have any desire to dump Rodgers for him in '24 or even several years after. Trading him for something worthwhile would be nice or if he really is worth handing onto, keep him as a back up and maybe find some other uses for him for the next 5, 6, 7, 8 years hahahaha. I don't have any desire to see the Packers go in the toilet by losing Rodgers sooner than that - which they surely wood.

The smart teams don't do feast and famine. They just keep on keeping on - winning at a high level every year.

[Upnorth]

I don't care about desire. If you are this level player and dont have desire thats on you. I do talk about ability. I do think about long term planning. Putting all you chips in a over 3 yr contract on a 38 yr old player is failed planning imo. That will lead to feast and famine.

39 yr old manning was masterful. 40 yr old was garbage.
40 yr old Favre was near MVP. 41 yr old was garbage.
Brees at 39 near MVP. 40 was holding back the team, the only roster possibly better than tampa Bay.
Young and Marino fell of the cliff.
The odds of a qb plating well past 40 is lower than drafting a hof qb.
Why build extra risk into your long term plan? Not saying Love is the successor but if not him it's going to be some one hopefully.

When would you draft rodgers successor?

[Upnorth]

2nd rd tender on Tonyan which is a 3+ million cap hit. I will be suprised if no one offers him something better.
Right of first refusal on Sullivan. 2+ mill cap hit. He likely won't be going anywhere and I'm not convinced he is worth that but i guess he knows the system and is low end ok.

[Joemailman]

2nd rd tender on Tonyan which is a 3+ million cap hit. I will be suprised if no one offers him something better.
Right of first refusal on Sullivan. 2+ mill cap hit. He likely won't be going anywhere and I'm not convinced he is worth that but i guess he knows the system and is low end ok.

For another 1.4 million, Packers could have put 1st round tender on Tonyan. The danger is a team could offer a front loaded to Tonyan that would be difficult for the Packers to match. If a team with an early 2nd round pick gives Tonyan an offer, I wonder if Gute will gladly take the pick. Probably depends on how he feels about Sternberger.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think anybody is paying big money and giving up a 2nd round pick for Tonyan. If Tonyan is going to get $10M+/year (like Jonnu Smith), I doubt he's in our long term plans anyways. They'll let him go--like they did Corey Linsley.

[RashanGary]

I don't think anybody is paying big money and giving up a 2nd round pick for Tonyan. If Tonyan is going to get $10M+/year (like Jonnu Smith), I doubt he's in our long term plans anyways. They'll let him go--like they did Corey Linsley.

Letting go 30 year olds with back problems at an easy to fill spot isn’t quite the same as up and coming 25 year olds at a position that usually takes 3 or 4 developmental years to be able to run block, pass block and be reliable in the passing game

[Guiness]

dp

[Guiness]

You guys are like a bunch of drunken sailors who see a pretty girl sitting at the end of the bar and empty your pockets buying her drinks because you think you'll get lucky. Later, in a drunken haze, you reach up under her dress and you find out she's a tranny.

That was you?

Never leave a brother stuck!

[RashanGary]

Good thing I made a small bet on the Patriots to win Super Bowl two months ago. I kind of figured they would scoop up on the covid free agent class. +4000 odds to win. Feeling good about that one