Official Free Agency/Offseason/Non-Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

Packers sign Tyler Lancaster. No word on money. Probably around the minimum.

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Or is it coaching? He was brought back. The coach was fired.

But like RG said, why didn't any of the other guys in the secondary have the same problems?

[run pMc]

I don't think King is garbage, but I think they know what they have with him - when healthy he's an average corner. He's struggled with health, and that's gotten him into trouble.
The TD vs. Scotty Miller was bad technique and bad coaching -- Pettine shouldn't have called that, MLF should've called a TO to regroup before the snap, and King should've done... ANYTHING but what he did. Tackling Miller and getting a PI would've been better than letting him get a free release and letting him run past him like it was Cobb vs. Chris Conte.

It was obvious in the CAR game King was hurt when he got run down from behind, and I'm guessing teams noticed his speed on film and targeted him. That's just how the game is coached/played.

I'm not a fan of signing him, but I can understand why they did. Clearly they feel like he's at least good enough to play 8-11 games for them, and if they draft a CB high they can milk him for that time while the rookie learns (and eventually replaces) him. I don't see King as anything other than an outside corner, so I'm not sure what you get with him as a CB#3 (unless you're moving your CB2 inside and putting King outside). Is King better than Sullivan? I'm not sure.

You can't have enough corners, so signing him isn't awful. It makes me wonder what they think they have in Jackson and Hollman.

As for whether Barry will get more out of King than Pettine... I know very little about Barry's coaching acumen, so I can't say. I will say I'm not optimistic the 2021 Kevin King will be substantially different/better than what we've seen. I'm not sure we'll ever see 2019 Kevin King again.
Nobody really knows until the games start. I think Pettine didn't get the most out of his talent. If Barry can, they will have a good defense.

[Bretsky]

Packers sign Tyler Lancaster. No word on money. Probably around the minimum.

Just as excited about Lancaster as I am the Long Snapper we signed

[texaspackerbacker]

Packers sign Tyler Lancaster. No word on money. Probably around the minimum.

Well, if King isn't garbage, then we sank one step closer to it with Lancaster. Just the same, if he really did sign for the minimum or close to it, I suppose it's tolerable.

"I don't think King is garbage, but I think they know what they have with him - when healthy he's an average corner. He's struggled with health, and that's gotten him into trouble." - runMc nailed it with this line. As mediocre as King is and as flat out bad as Lancaster is, though, we went 13-3 and a playoff win with them playing major parts in our D. Now, we have a new D Coordinator who's hopefully an upgrade, and hopefully we get a first round Corner to plug in along with a little bit of other help in the draft, maybe even more FA help like Cordell Patterson returning kicks. We'll be all right, maybe even better this season.

[bobblehead]

But like RG said, why didn't any of the other guys in the secondary have the same problems?

Any number of reasons. Alexander often matches up to more twitchy guys, so its possible he is playing with more safety help. Alexander is also on another level so thats another good reason. As far as anyone else...well, they weren't put in the positions that King was. Or maybe I'm wrong and he really is horrible, but we had the 7th ranked pass D last year, while playing with a lead often so I am doubting he is as bad as people think based on a bad game while injured.

[Upnorth]

Any number of reasons. Alexander often matches up to more twitchy guys, so its possible he is playing with more safety help. Alexander is also on another level so thats another good reason. As far as anyone else...well, they weren't put in the positions that King was. Or maybe I'm wrong and he really is horrible, but we had the 7th ranked pass D last year, while playing with a lead often so I am doubting he is as bad as people think based on a bad game while injured.

When uninjured he is not nfccg bad. But that doesn't mean he is good enough to be a solid #2. And I think saying he is at best a poor #2 who needs to play better within the scheme is an accurate statement.

[bobblehead]

When uninjured he is not nfccg bad. But that doesn't mean he is good enough to be a solid #2. And I think saying he is at best a poor #2 who needs to play better within the scheme is an accurate statement.

Fair enough. I said he graded in the middle of 90 top guys. Probably puts him just outside average number 2. Would be nice to have better. I do think he is a solid #2. Or slightly below average #2. We are paying him in that range, so I'm good with it. We don't HAVE to overpay someone or reach in the draft now. We also still CAN draft a corner to replace him and it would be OK. So, as I said. We aren't that far off. Guys like him will start on every team. Look at the OL for the Seahawks. They could use a couple King level OL to improve their offense. I could go down every roster and find a position with a guy like King starting. Heck, right now, we will be starting one OL in the King range of talent if we don't improve somehow. We very well might be starting 2 ILB BELOW the king level. Our DE are below the king level unless Keke steps up.

I stand by my position. I'm happy to have king back at that price.

[QBME]

Just as excited about Lancaster as I am the Long Snapper we signed

We synch up on this one. Lancaster and Lowery...eh.

Couple of Northwestern intelligent short armed players.

Unless, of course, the new D Coordinator has some brilliant scheme in mind.

[Upnorth]

Anyone notice there was very little fake news yesterday? I was prepared for a rodgers traded column or something but there was nothing.
Are we be down by covid so much or are we so sensitive that they aren't doing it anymore?

My almost 5 year old got me by say I g one of the cats got into the house. Cute little smile she gave when I realised it made my day so much better

[Fritz]

We synch up on this one. Lancaster and Lowery...eh.

Couple of Northwestern intelligent short armed players.

Unless, of course, the new D Coordinator has some brilliant scheme in mind.

Joe Barry is a mad scientist who will inject arm-growth hormones into both players.

Look for a mysterious, large jump from both next year.

[RashanGary]

Fair enough. I said he graded in the middle of 90 top guys. Probably puts him just outside average number 2. Would be nice to have better. I do think he is a solid #2. Or slightly below average #2. We are paying him in that range, so I'm good with it. We don't HAVE to overpay someone or reach in the draft now. We also still CAN draft a corner to replace him and it would be OK. So, as I said. We aren't that far off. Guys like him will start on every team. Look at the OL for the Seahawks. They could use a couple King level OL to improve their offense. I could go down every roster and find a position with a guy like King starting. Heck, right now, we will be starting one OL in the King range of talent if we don't improve somehow. We very well might be starting 2 ILB BELOW the king level. Our DE are below the king level unless Keke steps up.

I stand by my position. I'm happy to have king back at that price.

Real talk. Every team has some less than stellar starters. Every single year a team wins the super bowl with some less than stellar players. It’s a requirement. Good to see we’ve checked that box

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers back on McAfee show.

https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1379137308276965377

[Upnorth]

Fair enough. I said he graded in the middle of 90 top guys. Probably puts him just outside average number 2. Would be nice to have better. I do think he is a solid #2. Or slightly below average #2. We are paying him in that range, so I'm good with it. We don't HAVE to overpay someone or reach in the draft now. We also still CAN draft a corner to replace him and it would be OK. So, as I said. We aren't that far off. Guys like him will start on every team. Look at the OL for the Seahawks. They could use a couple King level OL to improve their offense. I could go down every roster and find a position with a guy like King starting. Heck, right now, we will be starting one OL in the King range of talent if we don't improve somehow. We very well might be starting 2 ILB BELOW the king level. Our DE are below the king level unless Keke steps up.

I stand by my position. I'm happy to have king back at that price.

I don't think you are definitely correct about the ol starting talent. It really depends on the jump our 3 picks make from last year. Runyon looks solid as a #1 rg at the least. And I remember reading good stuff about stepaniuk once he was practicing post knee injury. Plus if there is one area I trust the packers drafting the past 30 years its oline. Add in the itelligent play design by flower even my pessimism has to admit we don't know where we are at oline, and it's to early to say any are as bad (or good) as king.

[bobblehead]

I don't think you are definitely correct about the ol starting talent. It really depends on the jump our 3 picks make from last year. Runyon looks solid as a #1 rg at the least. And I remember reading good stuff about stepaniuk once he was practicing post knee injury. Plus if there is one area I trust the packers drafting the past 30 years its oline. Add in the itelligent play design by flower even my pessimism has to admit we don't know where we are at oline, and it's to early to say any are as bad (or good) as king.

I was referring to the Seahawks OL.