Official Fire Chuck Berry Thread

[run pMc]

Barry has to go.
The last two games have been very poor defensive performances, with the season on the line and the offense actually scoring points.

[King Friday]

I just had the thought - does Jimmy Leonhard even have the NFL connections to form a competent coaching staff? Are there examples of other coordinators going from college to NFL and being successful? Joe Brady was kind of a bust.

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who played as long as Leonhard did in the NFL. To say he’s some uneducated bimbo on professional football defense is going out on a limb. The head coach will still have the most sway on who position coaches are, but I’m sure Leonhard has a lot of connections in NFL defensive circles due to his stature in the league as a player and a guy who has piped a fair amount of talent into the league from the college level.

[call_me_ishmael]

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who played as long as Leonhard did in the NFL. To say he’s some uneducated bimbo on professional football defense is going out on a limb. The head coach will still have the most sway on who position coaches are, but I’m sure Leonhard has a lot of connections in NFL defensive circles due to his stature in the league as a player and a guy who has piped a fair amount of talent into the league from the college level.

I definitely don't think that, but I do not know whether he has the personal connections in the league to build a great coaching staff. Generally it seems like most coaches start as low level assistants and climb the ladder in the league that way. It doesn't happen too often where a coach comes from college straight to the pros and is successful (Jimmy Johnson comes to mind, most others seem to bust off the top of my head). By starting low and climbing, you naturally build friendships and trusted allies amongst your peers, etc that you can leverage later either for a spot on your staff or to get their opinion on a person. I guess Jimmy could lean on Pettine and maybe Rex Ryan still has some connections, etc.

[bobblehead]

I just had the thought - does Jimmy Leonhard even have the NFL connections to form a competent coaching staff? Are there examples of other coordinators going from college to NFL and being successful? Joe Brady was kind of a bust.

He only played for a decade in the NFL so there is that.

[The Shadow]

Fangio & Zimmer are sitting at home? Barry still has a job?????

[Joemailman]

Fangio & Zimmer are sitting at home? Barry still has a job?????

They are both employed right now, not as coordinators, but should be available after the season.

[th87]

Meanwhile, the guy we could've had is doing rather well in Denver:

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/ejiro-evero-broncos-head-coach-rumor

[bobblehead]

Meanwhile, the guy we could've had is doing rather well in Denver:

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/...ad-coach-rumor

Yea, I remember all your posts pimping this guy back during the hiring process....NOT

Its easy to take the one example of the one guy who is awesome and indict the brass for not hiring him. I can do it in the draft by cherry picking 1 player drafted after our guy who was better as well. I don't recall you or anyone else pimping this dude back when.....of course I don't read much of your stuff though, so maybe you were.

[th87]

Yea, I remember all your posts pimping this guy back during the hiring process....NOT

Its easy to take the one example of the one guy who is awesome and indict the brass for not hiring him. I can do it in the draft by cherry picking 1 player drafted after our guy who was better as well. I don't recall you or anyone else pimping this dude back when.....of course I don't read much of your stuff though, so maybe you were.

What a stellar argument. Am I paid to evaluate coaching talent? Am I scouring the Rams assistant ranks to uncover diamonds in the rough? Do I know Sean McVay? No, no, and no.

But whoever *does* have this job messed up. They had him. We can criticize our receivers for drops despite us not having their ability to make catches, right? So why not the brass for making a huge hiring mistake, i.e. not doing their job?

And it's not like this outcome was unforeseen and unlucky. Everyone knew Barry sucked. And to the surprise of no one, he sucks now. His hiring was stupid then and it's stupid now, and the ones who made that call now raise serious questions on their own credibility.

[bobblehead]

What a stellar argument. Am I paid to evaluate coaching talent? Am I scouring the Rams assistant ranks to uncover diamonds in the rough? Do I know Sean McVay? No, no, and no.

But whoever *does* have this job messed up. They had him. We can criticize our receivers for drops despite us not having their ability to make catches, right? So why not the brass for making a huge hiring mistake, i.e. not doing their job?

And it's not like this outcome was unforeseen and unlucky. Everyone knew Barry sucked. And to the surprise of no one, he sucks now. His hiring was stupid then and it's stupid now, and the ones who made that call now raise serious questions on their own credibility.

I'll grant you that hiring Barry was hiring a retread and a bad decision. But its ridiculous to harp on a guy who has been really good for part of a season as an example of how terrible we are at evaluating coaches. Its akin to saying every GM who passed on Brady through 5 rounds should be fired....which means even the guy who picked him should be fired.

[run pMc]

I think Zimmer is working for Deion, and Fangio has a consultant's gig but you could probably lure either back to the DC job. Rodgers likes Zimmer so that might not be a shocker.
I don't watch Badger football so I don't know if Leonhard is innovative or anything. It's also unclear to me if Big10 is known for offensive juggernauts outside of OSU.

To Barry, I can't think of a single player outside of Rashan Gary who has improved under Barry's tenure. Even Jaire has gotten worse.

Unless it's a coach with proven creativity (like Fangio or Zimmer) I wouldn't want a retread hire at DC. Barry might understand how to run a scheme but I'm not sure he understands how to adapt it to players or the opposing offense... in which case they could just have an AI robot calling their defense and it might play better. Retread copycats like Barry who have all the connections nepotism brings shouldn't be hired as anything more than a position coach.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Hackett actually gets fired in Denver - which I kinda doubt after just one season, and if Quinn, a defensive guy, replaces him, then we might have a chance to snag Evero to replace Joe Barry.

[Joemailman]

Is Barry Lazarus?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm still VERY much in favor of them firing Barry, but either he actually made some quality adjustments at halftime, which he has beeen really bad about just about every other time, or else Miami and in particular, Tua, just came crashing down to earth and left their brains in the locker room. Listening to LaFleur after the game, I'm thinking it's not as likely as most of us would like that Barry gets fired. And if the Packers do win out and get to the playoffs, etc., even more likely he stays.

[Bretsky]

yup; CONGRATS TO BARRY