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  • #91
    Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
    I personally think it is far more likely that Jordan Love busts then becomes a star but that's just probability talking.
    He has the perfect environment to succeed. Low pressure while able to develop. Coach who builds a qb friendly system. A team that values stability.

    I do think the odds of a bust are higher than a third hof qb but I think the greatest probability is average starting qb.
    All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

    George Orwell

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    • #92
      Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
      I personally think it is far more likely that Jordan Love busts then becomes a star but that's just probability talking.
      That's definitely the historical math of 1st round players. They have an under 50/50 shot to succeed. Packers have hit on Savage and might have hit on Gary in the same year. Doesn't bode well for the math.
      Originally posted by 3irty1
      This is museum quality stupidity.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
        I personally think it is far more likely that Jordan Love busts then becomes a star but that's just probability talking.
        Wolf tree QBs are better than 50/50 but yeah, the math says something here
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
          Love is consistent throwing from a broken pocket off platform. He's consistent from a stable platform. He needs to improve consistency throwing from the run. If he gets a little better in all areas, hes mahommes and Rodgers.
          Hope so, but that kind of optimism is too blind for even me.
          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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          • #95
            Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
            I watched Love vs LSU (I believe that was the top team he played) and he never gave up. Threw some amazing throws under constant pressure. He's a competitor on tape and high character guy by reputation. 41 year old Rodgers or 24 year old Love..... Wait one.more year, make sure he's what you think he is, but I'm going with the 24 year old if they like his development. Rodgers has three more years. It's just enough time to get him.into his 40s, fully develop Love and then negotiate with Love under the franchise tag after year 5. This can go smoothly.
            I'll join in a little bit. In McGinns pre draft "scouts say" section one guy said "this guy is the only QB I've ever scouted who will be throwing to more open receivers in the NFL than he was in college". Another said "I don't understand how teams don't have a top 10 grade on this guy. They changed coaching staffs and had zero talent around him in his final year"
            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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            • #96
              Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
              They changed coaching staffs and had zero talent around him in his final year"
              Yep. They changed coaching staffs and lost 9 of the other 10 starters on offense. They year prior Love looked crazy good and led Utah State to their most wins in school history and their second highest AP ranking (#14, their 1961 team was ranked as high as #10).
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #97
                Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                I personally think it is far more likely that Jordan Love busts then becomes a star but that's just probability talking.
                Based on overall NFL averages yes. Based on my faith in Flower and his system and GB's recent history with QBs I would say he is 75/25 to be successful. So, I guess I flip the likely hood around from where you are.
                The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                  Based on overall NFL averages yes. Based on my faith in Flower and his system and GB's recent history with QBs I would say he is 75/25 to be successful. So, I guess I flip the likely hood around from where you are.
                  What is successful though? Serviceable starter? Pro bowler? I could see him becoming Jared Goff - is that good enough? I personally don't think so.

                  I don't think it's a total bust at 26 or wherever they picked him if he's Jared Goff but I also think you're in the market for a better QB the moment one becomes available and you can't win a super bowl with that.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                    What is successful though? Serviceable starter? Pro bowler? I could see him becoming Jared Goff - is that good enough? I personally don't think so.

                    I don't think it's a total bust at 26 or wherever they picked him if he's Jared Goff but I also think you're in the market for a better QB the moment one becomes available and you can't win a super bowl with that.
                    You can win with Goff. Trent dilfer anyone? Eli Manning? Below average qbs win, they just need a team.
                    All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                    George Orwell

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
                      You can win with Goff. Trent dilfer anyone? Eli Manning? Below average qbs win, they just need a team.
                      I don't know if you can win that way now though. Those teams had great defenses and a strong running game. In today's NFL it's increasingly difficult to put together a great defense.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                        What is successful though? Serviceable starter? Pro bowler? I could see him becoming Jared Goff - is that good enough? I personally don't think so.

                        I don't think it's a total bust at 26 or wherever they picked him if he's Jared Goff but I also think you're in the market for a better QB the moment one becomes available and you can't win a super bowl with that.
                        The Bears would gladly take a serviceable QB. We are very spoiled.
                        Originally posted by 3irty1
                        This is museum quality stupidity.

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          I don't know if you can win that way now though. Those teams had great defenses and a strong running game. In today's NFL it's increasingly difficult to put together a great defense.
                          Just ask Tampa.
                          All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                          George Orwell

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                            I don't know if you can win that way now though. Those teams had great defenses and a strong running game. In today's NFL it's increasingly difficult to put together a great defense.
                            In addition to that, I would say while it is possible, it is unlikely. Who normally wins the super bowl? A great QB or a shutdown defense with a journeyman QB. Normally it's a great QB with a great defense.

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                              In addition to that, I would say while it is possible, it is unlikely. Who normally wins the super bowl? A great QB or a shutdown defense with a journeyman QB. Normally it's a great QB with a great defense.
                              I would say 50/50. I would put TB last year in the game manager QB shutdown D category. The Broncos with Manning fit that as well. Denvers 2 wins with an ancient Elway? Dilfer. Young Russell Wilson. The Rams were that team this past season and if Donald stays healthy who knows how that plays out. Nick Foles anyone? Joe Flacco?

                              So other than the last 10 years where an ancient or subpar QB won the superbowl 6 times..... yea, great QBs win the owl. And of the other 4....Maholmes before his contract kicked in and Brady 3x who always took less money. Just saying.
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                                I would say 50/50. I would put TB last year in the game manager QB shutdown D category. The Broncos with Manning fit that as well. Denvers 2 wins with an ancient Elway? Dilfer. Young Russell Wilson. The Rams were that team this past season and if Donald stays healthy who knows how that plays out. Nick Foles anyone? Joe Flacco?

                                So other than the last 10 years where an ancient or subpar QB won the superbowl 6 times..... yea, great QBs win the owl. And of the other 4....Maholmes before his contract kicked in and Brady 3x who always took less money. Just saying.

                                WAIT....who are you putting in the game manager mode ?

                                TB did next to nothing with past QB's and a great D. No way I put Brady there. Russell Wilson...no way either......

                                Elway ? I can't remember but at least in his 2nd last year he was more than game manger

                                Manning and Dilfer were obvious. Were any of the others ?
                                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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