WHICH QUATERBACK PLAYS PLAYS ON THE GREEN BAY PACKERS TEAM LONGER ??

[texaspackerbacker]

The people who like to claim the defense or O Line are so important compared to QB need to take a long look at the Bears compared to the Packers over the past three decades.

[bobblehead]

WAIT....who are you putting in the game manager mode ?

TB did next to nothing with past QB's and a great D. No way I put Brady there. Russell Wilson...no way either......

Elway ? I can't remember but at least in his 2nd last year he was more than game manger

Manning and Dilfer were obvious. Were any of the others ?

Brady threw 3 picks against us and completed under 55% vs. Washington and NO on his way to the bowl. That team was carried by the D and the running game. Brady was a game manager. A very good one, but a game manager. TB added to its D and signed Fournett who suddenly got motivated to be worthy of the top 10 pick that he was. Brady had 2 good TE and 2 elite WR. His LT was a rookie draft pick that played top 5 LT all season.

Conclusion. 1) It wasn't quite the same team that Winston QBed. 2) Winston threw 30 picks, so yea, Brady was better than that....as a game manager.

edit: I'll add one more thing. Brady is brilliant. Much smarter than Rodgers. He transformed the offense the Bucs ran. Arians is a deep route first, underneath second coach. Its part of the reason Winston threw 30 picks. MM was the same way. Rodgers prefers to look deep first.

Brady had no success early running it that way. By the end of the season the Bucs were no longer running the Arians offense, they were running the Brady/McDaniels offense. Look at the run/pass balance they displayed through the playoffs. Look at how much he hit his TEs underneath. He was game managing the shit out of it, and even average QBs can run an offense that way with talent around them and good accuracy.

[bobblehead]

The people who like to claim the defense or O Line are so important compared to QB need to take a long look at the Bears compared to the Packers over the past three decades.

Clearly the Bears are the only test case that matters. We should not look at what happened in the SB when KC lost its Tackles and the NFCC when GB lost Bak.

We also shouldn't look at TB who drafted a LT that played at a Pro Bowl level as a rookie and helped transform that OL.

[RashanGary]

Clearly the Bears are the only test case that matters. We should not look at what happened in the SB when KC lost its Tackles and the NFCC when GB lost Bak.

We also shouldn't look at TB who drafted a LT that played at a Pro Bowl level as a rookie and helped transform that OL.

Wirfs played RT. But yeah, their ol and dl were really good.

[Upnorth]

I want to step into this discussion but bretsky is nailing it. Please carry on.

[Bretsky]

Brady threw 3 picks against us and completed under 55% vs. Washington and NO on his way to the bowl. That team was carried by the D and the running game. Brady was a game manager. A very good one, but a game manager. TB added to its D and signed Fournett who suddenly got motivated to be worthy of the top 10 pick that he was. Brady had 2 good TE and 2 elite WR. His LT was a rookie draft pick that played top 5 LT all season.

Conclusion. 1) It wasn't quite the same team that Winston QBed. 2) Winston threw 30 picks, so yea, Brady was better than that....as a game manager.

edit: I'll add one more thing. Brady is brilliant. Much smarter than Rodgers. He transformed the offense the Bucs ran. Arians is a deep route first, underneath second coach. Its part of the reason Winston threw 30 picks. MM was the same way. Rodgers prefers to look deep first.

Brady had no success early running it that way. By the end of the season the Bucs were no longer running the Arians offense, they were running the Brady/McDaniels offense. Look at the run/pass balance they displayed through the playoffs. Look at how much he hit his TEs underneath. He was game managing the shit out of it, and even average QBs can run an offense that way with talent around them and good accuracy.

Everybody go to YouTube and type in Susan Powers and Scream together...Stop the Insanity


FULL SAMPLE

2020 TOM BRADY----REGUAR SEASON

40 Touchdowns to only 12 picks
4633 Yards
QB Ranking over 100


TOM BRADY PLAYOFFS

16 Touchdowns
4 Interceptions
Just about 300 yards/game---

OH and 381 of those yards were in the Washington game you referenced with negative stats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur0g-R7ZODY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzcRlLDnmo

[Upnorth]

I want to step into this discussion but bretsky is nailing it. Please carry on.

Oh my goodness im sorry bobble head I ment you not bretsky... My bad

[bobblehead]

Bretsky is making some valid points, but I watched a ton of TB games. Brady just wasn't elite all year. He wasn't elite in the playoffs. We should all know by now that throwing for 300 yards doesn't always tell the story. Brees threw multiple picks giving TB the ball back over and over. Washington was QBed by...I don't even remember...Heinecke?? He was scrappy but not good. Brady simply wasn't elite this season, nor has he been for several years. He is still good. Sort of good like other guys can be if they play within an offense and are surrounded by talent. Just imagine if we had run the ball in the 4th quarter like we did ALL SEASON.

As I pointed out, Brady is super smart. He is the coach on the field. He transformed that offense which is why they finished so strong.

I actually lost a bet with a friend when I bet him Brady would throw for 4800 yards this season. Not because I think he is still great, but because If you give Winston the weapons he had, he tossed for 5k. Then add Fournette, and Gronk and an All Pro RT (props, JH, I made that mistake a few times this year and still can't get it to sink in). Of course a pro like Brady can put up stats. Add in an elite D that give him the ball back over and over....Then let them hold Adams and Lazard all game long.

[bobblehead]

I'll add in that I thought Brady's best game of the playoffs was the Owl where he threw for 201 yards. Shows how much I value gaudy stats.