AR wants out?!

[Bretsky]

The front office made decisions that hurt people's feelings. Using Rodgers list of guys who should have been taken care of: Nelson, Woodson, Lang, James Jones, etc.... Every single time the team made the right decision if they're trying to win first.

If you're gonna hate on.the Packers, you're hating on them for choosing winning above loyalty.


Personally, id rather lose the right way than win without loyalty, but I understand that they've been hired to win so they make those tough calls. I'm not gonna call anyone a piece of shit over Rodgers gripes and accusations.

Let's Simplify this because you keep apologizing for GuteBag and all his decisions were not right.

Would you have preferred to keep Jordy Nelson for 5 MIL a year, or sign Jimmy Graham for 10 MIL a year ?

[Jaire]

The front office made decisions that hurt people's feelings. Using Rodgers list of guys who should have been taken care of: Nelson, Woodson, Lang, James Jones, etc.... Every single time the team made the right decision if they're trying to win first.

If you're gonna hate on.the Packers, you're hating on them for choosing winning above loyalty.


Personally, id rather lose the right way than win without loyalty, but I understand that they've been hired to win so they make those tough calls. I'm not gonna call anyone a piece of shit over Rodgers gripes and accusations.

Of the guys Rodgers mentioned he was dead on about Woodson, who was the D leader and responsible for the ring in 2010. We have had no leader on D since. That loss was huge and we spent years trying to replace him.

Likewise Hyde was a no brainer. Another wasted first round pick too (Haha). But the coach didn't know how to play him. Casey was a very different decision with his injury history, having 2 cbs, and being up against the cap. AR's point is they seem to take zero consideration of the locker room and how it affects team play. Obviously some posters here don't get it either. It seems in every case they have coldly cut these guys out. TT would keep at least a few around like AJ. There's a balance.

Peppers is sorely underrated. He was willing to return for 3 million and had no replacement. I don't know why you just drop him. He was still effective til he hung it up and played above average in the playoffs not to mention his locker room presence.

AR was NOT asking for all these guys. But he said they were ALL low balled, given no offer, or disrespected (esp Clay Matthews) on the way out. I mean why give out Clay's jersey next year: classless. It points to something deeper with Gute.

This FO somewhere around 2013 stopped their interest in the locker room. Who is responsible for that? It's like they swung from one extreme to the other

Anyways, it's a cumulative effect. Also listen to Davante Adams on Cobb and his value. He caught 79% of passes thrown to him last year. He will flourish again in MLF's scheme. And Amari won't be ready for a year or two to contribute in the playoffs. Cobb is for right now. Amari is a futures (except sweeps and ST)



Anyways, I'm tired of defending the boneheaded moves in the FO. The way they treat players really has gone way down since around 2013 to completely unacceptable levels. Remember how they kicked MM on the street. That sort of treatment is top shelf shitty.

But Gute is just gonna keep going full steam and it will have an effect after AR leaves this season (which all signs point to). The bottom line is that these decisions also cost a ton of 1st & 2nd round draft picks as well.

In sum, Peppers, Woodson, Hyde were dumb cuts and head scratchers to me at the time. They used to hang onto locker leaders too long (AJ Hawk) but swung wholly the other way now. And again Rodgers was pointing out that NONE of these guys were kept or respected. It's not about being chummy or nice but about winning. AR is not at all entirely right but their is a balance and compromise there (as with his ability to recruit outside).

It's not "choosing winning" over loyalty. They STILL lost. They are way to high on their own ability to draft and canceled players who got them there and so havent one a ring in 11 years.

[Bretsky]

Of the guys Rodgers mentioned he was dead on about Woodson, who was the D leader and responsible for the ring in 2010. We have had no leader on D since. That loss was huge and we spent years trying to replace him.

Likewise Hyde was a no brainer. Another wasted first round pick too (Haha). But the coach didn't know how to play him. Casey was a very different decision with his injury history, having 2 cbs, and being up against the cap. AR's point is they seem to take zero consideration of the locker room and how it affects team play. Obviously some posters here don't get it either. It seems in every case they have coldly cut these guys out. TT would keep at least a few around like AJ. There's a balance.

Peppers is sorely underrated. He was willing to return for 3 million and had no replacement. I don't know why you just drop him. He was still effective til he hung it up and played above average in the playoffs not to mention his locker room presence.

AR was NOT asking for all these guys. But he said they were ALL low balled, given no offer, or disrespected (esp Clay Matthews) on the way out. I mean why give out Clay's jersey next year: classless. It points to something deeper with Gute.

This FO somewhere around 2013 stopped their interest in the locker room. Who is responsible for that? It's like they swung from one extreme to the other

Anyways, it's a cumulative effect. Also listen to Davante Adams on Cobb and his value. He caught 79% of passes thrown to him last year. He will flourish again in MLF's scheme. And Amari won't be ready for a year or two to contribute in the playoffs. Cobb is for right now. Amari is a futures (except sweeps and ST)



Anyways, I'm tired of defending the boneheaded moves in the FO. The way they treat players really has gone way down since around 2013 to completely unacceptable levels. Remember how they kicked MM on the street. That sort of treatment is top shelf shitty.

But Gute is just gonna keep going full steam and it will have an effect after AR leaves this season (which all signs point to). The bottom line is that these decisions also cost a ton of 1st & 2nd round draft picks as well.

In sum, Peppers, Woodson, Hyde were dumb cuts and head scratchers to me at the time. They used to hang onto locker leaders too long (AJ Hawk) but swung wholly the other way now. And again Rodgers was pointing out that NONE of these guys were kept, some cut early, many treated like garbage and all first rate players. It's not about being chummy or nice but about winning. AR is not stall entirely right but their is a balance and compromise there (as with his ability to recruit outside).

It's not "choosing winning" over loyalty. They STILL lost. They are way to high on their own ability to draft and get rid of players who got them there and so havent one a ring in 11 years.

When you have the best QB in the NFL or close to it, it's Super Bowl or Bust. We got a lotta busts lately

[RashanGary]

Let's Simplify this because you keep apologizing for GuteBag and all his decisions were not right.

Would you have preferred to keep Jordy Nelson for 5 MIL a year, or sign Jimmy Graham for 10 MIL a year ?

True. Shoulda kept Jordy at 5 over graham at 10. It would have been a mixed bag had we done it Rodgers way.

[Jaire]

When you have the best QB in the NFL or close to it, it's Super Bowl or Bust. We got a lotta busts lately

Agreed.

And the FO couldn't put a top defense together in 10 years.

80% of Superbowl winners have a top defense (76% an elite QB -- takes both). AR has had the worst defenses of any top QB in 40 years. Check it out. He's had just two (by numbers 09 & 10, barely; by eyetest imo10 & 14).

If I'm AR I am by far most pissed because the D is finally there. And they are getting rid of him next year.

[RashanGary]

No harm can be done in taking in Rodgers perspective. Bretsky, like you said, the Nelson to Graham move was a bad move. Some of that was just unessessary. And we could have kept Hyde and Heyward. Rodgers has some points and good ones, to do a better job taking care of those guys who do it the right way.

GMs probably have some blind spots. They're so busy looking at college and pro tape and analyzing players, they probably arent as grounded in what's going on, on the team as much as someone like Rodgers, who spends every day with the guys.

Frankly, they might be better off if.they listen to 12 a little and adjust. They're human and make mistakes too.

[Bretsky]

True. Shoulda kept Jordy at 5 over graham at 10. It would have been a mixed bag had we done it Rodgers way.

Well, maybe. Rodgers and Jordy had the mojo; Jordy would have been 2 years removed from the ACL. Maybe that back shoulder pass would have still been there.

On ESPN I have heard Gutebag offered Jorday 2.5Mil/Year, and the Vet minimum....to stay. Almost like a fake gesture.

Either way, Jordy has to feel bent over with that. And that is part of Rodgers gripe .

[RashanGary]

Agreed.

And the FO couldn't put a top defense together in 10 years.

80% of Superbowl winners have a top defense (76% an elite QB -- takes both). AR has had the worst defenses of any top QB in 40 years. Check it out. He's had just two (by numbers 09 & 10, barely; by eyetest imo10 & 14).

If I'm AR I am by far most pissed because the D is finally there. And they are getting rid of him next year.

He's not necessarily gone. Love has to prove he's good first.

[Bretsky]

No harm can be done in taking in Rodgers perspective. Bretsky, like you said, the Nelson to Graham move was a bad move. Some of that was just unessessary. And we could have kept Hyde and Heyward. Rodgers has some points and good ones, to do a better job taking care of those guys who do it the right way.

GMs probably have some blind spots. They're so busy looking at college and pro tape and analyzing players, they probably arent as grounded in what's going on, on the team as much as someone like Rodgers, who spends every day with the guys.

Frankly, they might be better off if.they listen to 12 a little and adjust. They're human and make mistakes too.

I agree with all of this; it's been reported by many Favre was very close to Bob Harlan. Rodgers doesn't have that contact in the front office. Maybe that's partly his fault.
But I don't think he likes any of them and they probably at this point don't like him. This is some FO failure.

You don't even have to "listen" to him all the time. Just hear him, maybe throw him a bone sometimes (maybe that was Whitewater Jesus), and make him feel appreciated and a part of things

[RashanGary]

Well, maybe. Rodgers and Jordy had the mojo; Jordy would have been 2 years removed from the ACL. Maybe that back shoulder pass would have still been there.

On ESPN I have heard Gutebag offered Jorday 2.5Mil/Year, and the Vet minimum....to stay. Almost like a fake gesture.

Either way, Jordy has to feel bent over with that. And that is part of Rodgers gripe .

I just get a little put off with your opinion because you're calling him gutebag and making it personal. I'm sure there blind spots for every GM. Rodgers has been watching this for 16 years. I'm sure his perspective can be helpful in some ways. I still root for Gute. I don't see him being a POS and don't see him out to intentionally cause harm.

[Jaire]

He's not necessarily gone. Love has to prove he's good first.

Of course.

But AR is a seat holder. He is the back up plan. I give Love better than 50% odds he'll pass: he was the QB prospect with highest upside in last year's draft. Those questions will be answered in preseason. AR is better than 50% gone regardless of how AR does.

[RashanGary]

The Packers literally just drafted a guy in 2020 that they think can be a special QB (you don't move up in the first otherwise.)

I'm not sure if anything could be done after that to calm Rodgers down. Even if Love flounders and they offer Rodgers a 4-year extension next year, that's like a wife's friend calling to tell her that her husband tried to fuck her. Sure, she turned him down, but the mf was trying to move on. Gute tried to move on from Rodgers. He's fucking irrate.

He painted it pretty well at the podium today, but I suspect Rodgers is some sort of scorned over that attempt to move on. He's angry. That's the root of this thing.

[Joemailman]

If Rodgers has another awesome season AND the Packers win the Super Bowl, I think there's a chance he gets to finish his career here. The public pressure to keep him here would be immense. And by public pressure I don't just mean the fans. It would also include media, players etc. If, on the other hand, the Packers have another disappointing playoff exit, then I think it makes sense to move on, gain some draft picks and salary cap room, and see what Love can do.

[Jaire]

I just get a little put off with your opinion because you're calling him gutebag and making it personal. I'm sure there blind spots for every GM. Rodgers has been watching this for 16 years. I'm sure his perspective can be helpful in some ways. I still root for Gute. I don't see him being a POS and don't see him out to intentionally cause harm.

He's a dirtbag with how he treated MM and CM3. Look no further. How he's doin' AR now is dirty imo. I listened to Gute's presser. And I am tired of him lying and throwing shade (and he's very good at it). And I think it's bad for biz, low, and gonna lose in the long run by kicking AR out like this.

Bretsky's point about Favre and Harlan is on point. These FO's are far more arogant than the GOAT. Favre overall had a much better set up especially early on. AR has been riding the wood silently and carrying the team (esp defense and FO mistakes) for ten years. Something definitely changed for the worse in TT's waning years and certainly post TT.

[Jaire]

If Rodgers has another awesome season AND the Packers win the Super Bowl, I think there's a chance he gets to finish his career here. The public pressure to keep him here would be immense. And by public pressure I don't just mean the fans. It would also include media, players etc. If, on the other hand, the Packers have another disappointing playoff exit, then I think it makes sense to move on, gain some draft picks and salary cap room, and see what Love can do.

No way.

If Love is decent, AR is gone. Andrew Brandt (and others) get it. They will get a King's ransom. Homer gets it too.