AR wants out?!

[Bretsky]

I just get a little put off with your opinion because you're calling him gutebag and making it personal. I'm sure there blind spots for every GM. Rodgers has been watching this for 16 years. I'm sure his perspective can be helpful in some ways. I still root for Gute. I don't see him being a POS and don't see him out to intentionally cause harm.

To be fair I've been calling him Gutebag, or Gooters since he got hired over Eliott Wolf )

[RashanGary]

To be fair I've been calling him Gutebag, or Gooters since he got hired over Eliott Wolf )

True. Like woodbuck and TT

[call_me_ishmael]

My point would just be “is the Packers way working”? If so, how is it? Two championships in 30 years of unmatched QB play is kind of a stain on the org IMO. There’s only one Tom Brady but it’s not like Brady was kicking our ass in the super bowl year after year. To me it feels like the team should have won more and accepting the status quo as “great” or whatever is problematic in my eyes. Sure they make a lot of money and that is good but at the end of the day titles matter and the Packers have underachieved. Often times it seems like the QBs carried the team more than they do in other orgs.

[Upnorth]

My point would just be “is the Packers way working”? If so, how is it? Two championships in 30 years of unmatched QB play is kind of a stain on the org IMO. There’s only one Tom Brady but it’s not like Brady was kicking our ass in the super bowl year after year. To me it feels like the team should have won more and accepting the status quo as “great” or whatever is problematic in my eyes. Sure they make a lot of money and that is good but at the end of the day titles matter and the Packers have underachieved. Often times it seems like the QBs carried the team more than they do in other orgs.

Coaxhing on the defense and special teams still feels huge. You have 4 and 26 the Seahawks and boykin and last year's oitmatched injured Kevin king. Different coaching in those 3 plays equals a sb appearance. The o has always at least had decent pieces, and with what we have given the d they need to be better. Special teams, I just don't understand.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, I saw the whole Rodgers press conference, and if anything, I'm a little bit less optimistic than I was just reading the summary of it. The key question obviously was "do you see a pathway going forward to staying in Green Bay beyond this season?" Rodgers did not say no, but he also didn't sound very optimistic about it. He said at least twice, he doesn't expect to be part of personnel decisions going forward, and that was after saying he thought he should have been consulted or used in that way over the years. Put those two things together, and it sounds kinda negative.

I still need to listen to the Gutekunst press conference, but if that is as described, the outlook is pretty gloomy beyond this season.

[texaspackerbacker]

Kelly was good enough to start all 16 games at OT for a not horrible NFL team just last season, and he's not too old - 32 I think. I'm hoping this means they don't mess with putting Jenkins at OT. It also probably means Bakhtiari is pretty far from 100% at this point. We had plenty of O Line depth before, and we have another decent chunk of it now.

[RashanGary]

My point would just be “is the Packers way working”? If so, how is it? Two championships in 30 years of unmatched QB play is kind of a stain on the org IMO. There’s only one Tom Brady but it’s not like Brady was kicking our ass in the super bowl year after year. To me it feels like the team should have won more and accepting the status quo as “great” or whatever is problematic in my eyes. Sure they make a lot of money and that is good but at the end of the day titles matter and the Packers have underachieved. Often times it seems like the QBs carried the team more than they do in other orgs.

Similar to Brees, Rivers, Manning, Russel Wilson, etc. Other than New England, no one did much better.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good Point, RG. You basically beat me to saying that.

I'd absolutely say, the "Packer way" has been working for 30 years or so.

If we lose the GOAT QB after this season, though, because the FO pretty much forced him out or at least didn't try hard enough to keep him, then I'd say the "Packer way" just stopped working.

[RashanGary]

Good Point, RG. You basically beat me to saying that.

I'd absolutely say, the "Packer way" has been working for 30 years or so.

If we lose the GOAT QB after this season, though, because the FO pretty much forced him out or at least didn't try hard enough to keep him, then I'd say the "Packer way" just stopped working.

Wins since 1990

https://champsorchumps.us/records/most-nfl-wins-since-1990

[Harlan Huckleby]

I fell asleep during this detail of the AR presser: Rodgers is disappointed that he only heard about LaFlower being hired after the deal was done.

I find this hilarious. The management is supposed to seek Aaron's counsel on the future head coach!? At best of course it would be a courtesy gesture. But why should they be expected to even do that much?

I think AR has lost his perspective. I still like the guy and appreciate his skill, intelligence & sincerity. His expectation that the NFL will genuflect to his class (senior HOF players) is damn funny. Do you think Ron Wolf consulted Reggie White about Mike Holmgren's replacement? I know we are in a slightly different era, but the players aren't running teams quite yet.

[Jaire]

I fell asleep during this detail of the AR presser: Rodgers is disappointed that he only heard about LaFlower being hired after the deal was done.

I find this hilarious. The management is supposed to seek Aaron's counsel on the future head coach!? At best of course it would be a courtesy gesture. But why should they be expected to even do that much?

I think AR has lost his perspective. I still like the guy and appreciate his skill, intelligence & sincerity. His expectation that the NFL will genuflect to his class (senior HOF players) is damn funny. Do you think Ron Wolf consulted Reggie White about Mike Holmgren's replacement? I know we are in a slightly different era, but the players aren't running teams quite yet.

1) That was to dispel the myth (one of many) that AR picked MLF. Nothing more.

2) again AR has had no say in any decisions at all: not even his #4WR. Compare to Peyton who actually picked round ones, ran the offense, & was the OC1. There's a balance between these extremes. AR was just dispeling some myths. Moreover, he had the worst defense of any premier QB in 40 years (I've gone over all the records): it's not close. AR has carried a lot of water for this team and is now getting booted after an MVP season: cannot even get a 2022 season guaranteed.

[ThunderDan]

1) That was to dispel the myth (one of many) that AR picked MLF. Nothing more.

2) again AR has had no say in any decisions at all: not even his #4WR. Compare to Peyton who actually picked round ones, ran the offense, & was the OC1. There's a balance between these extremes. AR was just dispeling some myths. Moreover, he had the worst defense of any premier QB in 40 years (I've gone over all the records): it's not close. AR has carried a lot of water for this team and is now getting booted after an MVP season: cannot even get a 2022 season guaranteed.

How many Super Bowls has Indy won in the last 23 years with Manning and Luck? Less than GB or More or the same?

How many AFC Championship games?

[RashanGary]

1) That was to dispel the myth (one of many) that AR picked MLF. Nothing more.

2) again AR has had no say in any decisions at all: not even his #4WR. Compare to Peyton who actually picked round ones, ran the offense, & was the OC1. There's a balance between these extremes. AR was just dispeling some myths. Moreover, he had the worst defense of any premier QB in 40 years (I've gone over all the records): it's not close. AR has carried a lot of water for this team and is now getting booted after an MVP season: cannot even get a 2022 season guaranteed.

You greatly under sell the offenses that Rodgers has had the privilege to play on. Outside of 2017 and 2018, he's had some of.the best combination of OL and skill players in the league. A huge part of the offenses success has been that supporting cast. A part of Rodgers legacy is that he always played on good offenses and a huge part of the credit goes to TT and Gute for assembling that.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is one of the luckiest QB's in NFL history in terms of playing on good offenses and racking up stats. He's one of the unluckiest in terms of playing with bad defenses and STs so not winning championships.

But to say Rodgers played on crap offenses and carried teams is a joke. There's not much separating Rodgers, Brady or Rivers. Rodgers got stat lucky. Brady got championship lucky. Rivers got the shaft.

[hoosier]

Packers have made a living on cutting ties with aging players a year before it's time rather than waiting till it's too late. I can sympathize with Rodgers, who has developed personal relationships with all of those guys, he's sad to see them go and feels it sucks to see them treated as used up commodities. But that is exactly why there should not be a place for him at the general management table. If the front office could have done something to smooth over the wrinkled feathers, maybe offer to hold a TJ Lang day, or create the illusion that the QB has a say in personnel decisions, that would have been a smart move. Maybe Cobb is a step in that direction.