What do we have in Jordan Love?

[smuggler]

Love has the GB organization behind him. Fields has the Bears organization behind him. I believe that Fields is a superior talent and prospect. I equally feel that Love will have the better NFL career if he stays with us.

As McMahon himself said, it's a QB graveyard in Chitown.

[texaspackerbacker]

Packers have pushed a lot of money into 2022 to avoid having to cut players. Gute has said many times it's a 2 year process. Things won't get back to close to normal until 2023.

And he was wise in doing so. I support Gutekunst in a lot of what he does - all except for the elephant in the room.

[call_me_ishmael]

Interesting percentage, but carrying a team and being a game changers or far from clear criteria, so you've safely hedged your position. How many game changers would you say there are right now in the NFL?

Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
Mahomes

Maybe Josh Allen
Maybe Murray

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
Mahomes

Maybe Josh Allen
Maybe Murray

Right. So that's a pretty high bar. A 5% of being that good is not bad at all.

[Sparkey]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-exec-predicts-jordan-love-165733937.html

NFL exec predicts Jordan Love will be better than Justin Herbert

[smuggler]

Maybe Murray

Found the mole

[King Friday]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-exec-pr...165733937.html

NFL exec predicts Jordan Love will be better than Justin Herbert

The same crap was written about Darnold and Trubisky.

No one has a clue at this point how good Love could be since he had yet to take one snap in an NFL game that counts. Lots of guys with physical talent fail in the NFL. He's an unknown right now. He has a high ceiling, but he also still has a low floor. Gute basically said as much...and he's the guy who drafted him.

[sharpe1027]

The same crap was written about Darnold and Trubisky.

No one has a clue at this point how good Love could be since he had yet to take one snap in an NFL game that counts. Lots of guys with physical talent fail in the NFL. He's an unknown right now. He has a high ceiling, but he also still has a low floor. Gute basically said as much...and he's the guy who drafted him.

This is true, but at least he's good enough for someone to make the case and not get laughed out of the room.

[bobblehead]

Matt LaFleur's record with developing QB's argues against the idea that Rodgers' successor will be unsuccessful. RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan and Rodgers all had arguably their best seasons while being coached by LaFleur. With the exception of Rodgers, I think Love has more natural ability than any of those guys.

And Marcus Marriotta who almost looked serviceable with Flower, but has looked like horseshit every season before and after him.

[bobblehead]

No one signed past 2021 except amari rodgers.

So what does that mean? It means they are young and ascending. Does anyone think they will let everyone walk and start over with Rodgers and a bunch of undrafted rookies??

[bobblehead]

Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
Mahomes

Maybe Josh Allen
Maybe Murray

Murry? Brady at this point? Even wilson makes me LMAO. There are 3 game changers right now and I need to see Allen for another season. There might only be 2 and Rodgers is 37.

I think this was a great QB draft with some great landing spots. I could see all of the top 3 becoming really good with Wilson the most likely to be the next Rodgers/Maholmes. Lance also has immense talent and a great landing spot, but so hard to bet on a guy with 288 tosses against lesser competition. I also think if Fields had went somewhere better he would have a chance.

[texaspackerbacker]

Lance and Fields seem like good candidates for that list in the other thread of QBs who bombed out.

Much as I like Russell Wilson, he's not quite at the "game changer" level. Brady was, but it's hard to say how good he would have been the last decade and a half if he didn't have the O Line and D that his team had.

Yeah, Rodgers and Mahomes, and even Mahomes occasionally shows signs of failing in the most important area: not throwing picks.

As for what we have in Jordan Love, I don't recall anybody other than me saying we should make some use of him other than proverbial clipboard holding in the 1, 2, 3, hopefully 4 or 5 years he is Rodgers' backup. If he's as mobile as people think, use him on a few wildcat plays, split him out and send him in motion occasionally with the possibility to hand it to him for an option pass, actually send him out as a receiver just to fuck with the D Coordinator's mind, see if he can return punts, maybe too.

[run pMc]

If you put Rodgers on JAX, CIN, HOU, DET or NYJ he wouldn't make the playoffs. He's good but he needs help. He can carry an offense and possibly a team IF he has a competent OL and a top 24 defense, but his days of singlehandedly carrying a team to the postseason are long gone, as 2018 proved.
GB's roster is good enough where a top 15 QB could lead them to a winning record if not playoffs, as 2019 Rodgers proved. When it all comes together, you win the top seed and are favored to win the NFCCG on your home field as last year proved.

My guess is Love is NOT ready for starting snaps, but in another year he might be. Nobody really knows, my guess is the coaches don't even know yet. He barely had an offseason or camp last year and wasn't even getting scout team reps. He was sitting and watching, and probably working on fundamentals. I think it's absurdly premature to make any decision or declaration on him. I do agree it's unlikely that GB will strike lightning 3 times in a row, but even if he's a mid-tier starting quality QB you could do worse. I say this remembering the likes of Randy Wright and Anthony Dilweg.

Nobody is confusing Ryan Tannehill with Aaron Rodgers, but he's managed to do ok with a strong supporting cast...Love could follow that path.

I agree with those who say that extending or guaranteeing Rodgers' contract will likely mean Love is gone. It becomes a major locker room issue, and a problem within management when the agent starts harassing GM for a trade. I don't see how you can keep a R1 QB pick on the bench for 4 or 5 years. 3 years would be the absolute max unless you know he doesn't have "it", in which case you probably trade him for a backup S (or as much as you can) in the offseason anyway.

[texaspackerbacker]

WHY would guaranteeing Rodgers' contract for 4 or 5 years mean Love is gone? What's wrong with having him be the backup if he is decent for 4 or 5 years? And if he's anything near as athletic as he is supposed to be, why would they not use Love in the other ways I have mentioned?

[run pMc]

WHY would guaranteeing Rodgers' contract for 4 or 5 years mean Love is gone? What's wrong with having him be the backup if he is decent for 4 or 5 years? And if he's anything near as athletic as he is supposed to be, why would they not use Love in the other ways I have mentioned?

Name one QB who was drafted in the first round that sat the entirety of their rookie contract, until the end of that contract. I'll wait.


Backup QBs usually come from 3 avenues:
(1) old veteran guy e.g., Joe Flacco
(2) retread guy who flamed out elsewhere, generally after being a very high pick, e.g., Blake Bortles
(3) late round or UDFA flyer, e.g., Tim Boyle, Graham Harrell, etc.

If you're drafted in the first round as a QB, you want to have a shot at starting. What young kid wouldn't? He's going to agitate to play, and if he's stuck behind an incumbent, he's eventually going to push for a trade so he can go elsewhere.

Also, spending a R1 for a backup player just isn't smart from a roster/cap standpoint. People here grouse about Oren Burks, and he's a R3 pick.
They drafted Jordan Love to be the backup for the first half of his rookie contract, but after that they expect him to progress as a project and push another QB to start, either here or for another club.

I have no problem with GB drafting a QB with a high pick, I just thought they did it a year early. Rodgers is no spring chicken and before anyone says "but Tom Brady..." he approaching 40 having had injuries that Brady hasn't, and is more of a running QB than Brady ever was. The odds are against him staying healthy for a 16 or 17 game season plus playoffs. If Rodgers comes back and they extend him, then they will almost certainly try to coach up Love into a tradeable asset that they can turnaround and use... to draft another replacement QB. You go to the pros to play.