Last Dance Green Bay

[Jaire]

Davante mentioned 187



........watch out

And Adams is pissed about his contract negotiations, irate. He is absolutely pumped about Cobb. So I would recommend his presser also. I'm much more stoked about Cobb after listening to Adams. Adams' take confirms what AR stated. The FO is trash imo. Gute is just running b.s. through his mouth. (Gute's spin on Davante's contract talks is nothing what Adams says they were and I don't think Adams had a chance to see Gute's presser before he did his.) ...... I'm afraid no change will happen.

[Jaire]

We'll never know what was actually said about some of the things, but I'm (begrudgingly) on Karrons side when he talks about at least coming to him to talk about cutting a WR. Kumerow is probably on par with Malik Taylor, so what are you gaining by keeping Taylor? They definitely fucked up with Woodson, but they were right on the money with Nelson.

I wonder if he's right that they literally don't even try to use him to recruit FAs? If so, Murphy and Gute should be fired today. He is the second or top reason FAs would go to GB. The other is money.

I think AR's point is that they dropped the ball on every one of these guys. They didn't bring even one or two back. Remember too even Nelson was willing to take a huge paycut and would have been an asset with AR. A lotbof the guys wanted to retire as Packers. Even Peppers wanted to come back for 3 million. That was a big loss to that 2015 team.

I agree on Woodson. That was really crazy as he wanted to return for less.

So.....not only don't they use Rodgers to recruit, they won't even let vets come back for very cheap deals and they cut guys who are keys to success; and wasted 6 first and second round picks trying to find replacements. The FO needs a deep overall. Once AR is gone, the whole thing falls apart imo

[Sparkey]

Woodson was 36 when they released him. Had lost a step and they also had rookie Casey Hayward to play the slot. Did Woodson have another two good years ? Yes he did, but its not like any other team, other then the Raiders, had an interest in him.

Jordy Nelson was 32, a year off an ACL tear and had lost a step. If Nelson was so damned good that last year in GB, why did Rodgers only target him on 88 passes ? Nelson was really, really good until the acl tear and age caught him.

Touchdown Jesus ? Really ? Maybe A-Aron lost his toking partner when they let him go. ( Apparently Rodgers must have smoked a bowl before his presser since he thought, arguably, that TD Jesus was the second best receiver on the team during camp ?! )

Julius Peppers ? Whatever.

The guy indirectly points the finger at management inferring that those moves could have won them a super bowl and somehow thinks that being a good locker room guy is more important than getting open on the field. Yet, when said "good guy" wasn't getting open, he would do his lovely, annoyed eyeroll crap on the field.

It's ironic that over the years he has bemoaned the FO for not going all in, yet his idea of all in is bringing back slow, non impact players.

MJ thought the same shit, then bought a team and went out and proved to everyone that he had no f'n clue about player acquisition.

I'll cheer AR on the field, but will also be happy when he is gone. I'd rather see guys striving to be great than bemoaning how they feel under valued.

[RashanGary]

What I like about Aarons view point is the loyalty and chemistry. I've been saying this since it started on draft night that businesses are cold and hurtful to people and this world would be better for having more loyalty in business.

Where I understand management is that they're trying to win and Rodgers's way would lead to a lot more losing.

I'm ok with everything that's unfolded. This is life in America and highlights the downfalls of pure competition in some arenas. I hope the Packers do run more according to 12s values but I also hope we're all ok with losing.

[George Cumby]

Woodson was 36 when they released him. Had lost a step and they also had rookie Casey Hayward to play the slot. Did Woodson have another two good years ? Yes he did, but its not like any other team, other then the Raiders, had an interest in him.

Jordy Nelson was 32, a year off an ACL tear and had lost a step. If Nelson was so damned good that last year in GB, why did Rodgers only target him on 88 passes ? Nelson was really, really good until the acl tear and age caught him.

Touchdown Jesus ? Really ? Maybe A-Aron lost his toking partner when they let him go. ( Apparently Rodgers must have smoked a bowl before his presser since he thought, arguably, that TD Jesus was the second best receiver on the team during camp ?! )

Julius Peppers ? Whatever.

The guy indirectly points the finger at management inferring that those moves could have won them a super bowl and somehow thinks that being a good locker room guy is more important than getting open on the field. Yet, when said "good guy" wasn't getting open, he would do his lovely, annoyed eyeroll crap on the field.

It's ironic that over the years he has bemoaned the FO for not going all in, yet his idea of all in is bringing back slow, non impact players.

MJ thought the same shit, then bought a team and went out and proved to everyone that he had no f'n clue about player acquisition.

I'll cheer AR on the field, but will also be happy when he is gone. I'd rather see guys striving to be great than bemoaning how they feel under valued.

*slow clap*

[NewsBruin]

Ishmael, thank you for the link to Rodgers' presser.

Rodgers was prepared for this conference, which his agent should do for him when there's tens of millions of dollars at stake. He sounded very comfortable with names and stats (like different seasons' salary caps), and working the current mental-health conversation was well done, as was mentioning his own fault and growth. His goal was to counter the perception that he's a passive-aggressive saboteur with the portrayal of a discreet, experienced, idealist standing up for the everyman player.

(And as someone whose employer strung him along to cut him for someone 15 years younger and $20K cheaper, I want to buy into this.)

Anti-Polar mentions Brady recruiting for Tampa Bay, and that's true. Brady got high-performing, undervalued offensive nomads that the rest of the league considered character risks. Get sued for ejaculating on your personal trainer? As long as you can delay or get a settlement, you can play for the Bucs!

Rodgers wants guys who are good lockerroom influences, even if they can't play at their peak. I'm not sure what all he means, and I'm not sure if a team can afford to stock its roster with guys on the decline, compared to churning with high-upsides. I don't remember if it was Earl Dotson or Edgar Bennett (or someone else) who turned down a salary cut, saying "Once they ask you to take less, they'll see you as less, and they'll never pay you more."

If Rodgers means that he wants Packers players to be released with more respect, I'm all for that. I wish one of the reporters had asked Rodgers if there was an NFL team he could point to that does treat its unsung veterans well; I don't think Rodgers' unicorn exists (possibly Seattle, they do some reclamation. The Raiders will always pay for the last two years of your career). Maybe his next team will take his input better, maybe not.

Rodgers says that he's not responsible for any leaks, especially wanting to be traded on draft day. I find that really hard to believe. There's no benefit to the Packers to leak that. Maybe it came from a rival team that was in contact with Rodgers' agent. Maybe it was his future mother-in-law.

I like the idea that he wants a buddy-buddy lockerroom, but this is the same guy who death-stares his receivers on a bad route or botched catch and comes off as having a dedicated doghouse for Lazard and MVS. I wish he would have been asked about that.

Rating 8/10. Very persuasive, still not sure how true.

[Bretsky]

We'll never know what was actually said about some of the things, but I'm (begrudgingly) on Karrons side when he talks about at least coming to him to talk about cutting a WR. Kumerow is probably on par with Malik Taylor, so what are you gaining by keeping Taylor? They definitely fucked up with Woodson, but they were right on the money with Nelson.

I wonder if he's right that they literally don't even try to use him to recruit FAs? If so, Murphy and Gute should be fired today. He is the second or top reason FAs would go to GB. The other is money.

Kumerow was probably better than Taylor, who sucks. Gutebag probably say, maybe, upside with Taylor. Not worth it though
Wooson was a F'ck up
GB basically axed Jorday (when he was willing to take a huge paycut; some have noted to 5 MIL) and paid Jimmy Jimmy 10MIL/year. I would argue that was a horrid call

[Bretsky]

Woodson was 36 when they released him. Had lost a step and they also had rookie Casey Hayward to play the slot. Did Woodson have another two good years ? Yes he did, but its not like any other team, other then the Raiders, had an interest in him.

Jordy Nelson was 32, a year off an ACL tear and had lost a step. If Nelson was so damned good that last year in GB, why did Rodgers only target him on 88 passes ? Nelson was really, really good until the acl tear and age caught him.

Touchdown Jesus ? Really ? Maybe A-Aron lost his toking partner when they let him go. ( Apparently Rodgers must have smoked a bowl before his presser since he thought, arguably, that TD Jesus was the second best receiver on the team during camp ?! )

Julius Peppers ? Whatever.

The guy indirectly points the finger at management inferring that those moves could have won them a super bowl and somehow thinks that being a good locker room guy is more important than getting open on the field. Yet, when said "good guy" wasn't getting open, he would do his lovely, annoyed eyeroll crap on the field.

It's ironic that over the years he has bemoaned the FO for not going all in, yet his idea of all in is bringing back slow, non impact players.

MJ thought the same shit, then bought a team and went out and proved to everyone that he had no f'n clue about player acquisition.

I'll cheer AR on the field, but will also be happy when he is gone. I'd rather see guys striving to be great than bemoaning how they feel under valued.

Don't buy this at all

It was a mistake to let Woodson go and I think GB knows it now.
Dumping Jordy to sign Jimmy did not work. He'd have taken a pay cut. But what Gutebag reportedly offered was insulting. More good ammo for AROD
I didn't love Touchdown Jesus; but he was no worse than the guy they kept
They f'cked up by not keeping Peppers for that; he had more good ball left in him in the way GB was using him

His underlying points....GB has set an atmosphere were loyalty and vets are not appreciated............seems like it's at least party legit.

[call_me_ishmael]

Woodson was 36 when they released him. Had lost a step and they also had rookie Casey Hayward to play the slot. Did Woodson have another two good years ? Yes he did, but its not like any other team, other then the Raiders, had an interest in him.

Jordy Nelson was 32, a year off an ACL tear and had lost a step. If Nelson was so damned good that last year in GB, why did Rodgers only target him on 88 passes ? Nelson was really, really good until the acl tear and age caught him.

Touchdown Jesus ? Really ? Maybe A-Aron lost his toking partner when they let him go. ( Apparently Rodgers must have smoked a bowl before his presser since he thought, arguably, that TD Jesus was the second best receiver on the team during camp ?! )

Julius Peppers ? Whatever.

The guy indirectly points the finger at management inferring that those moves could have won them a super bowl and somehow thinks that being a good locker room guy is more important than getting open on the field. Yet, when said "good guy" wasn't getting open, he would do his lovely, annoyed eyeroll crap on the field.

It's ironic that over the years he has bemoaned the FO for not going all in, yet his idea of all in is bringing back slow, non impact players.

MJ thought the same shit, then bought a team and went out and proved to everyone that he had no f'n clue about player acquisition.

I'll cheer AR on the field, but will also be happy when he is gone. I'd rather see guys striving to be great than bemoaning how they feel under valued.

And yet with making those moves they had a shitty 2017-2019 and didn’t win a super bowl. Maybe they would have won one if they went for it for a change instead of focusing on staying young and consistently above average instead of risking being great.

[Upnorth]

And yet with making those moves they had a shitty 2017-2019 and didn’t win a super bowl. Maybe they would have won one if they went for it for a change instead of focusing on staying young and consistently above average instead of risking being great.

Or switched mcarthy earlier

[red]

Or switched mcarthy earlier

Now you gotta start wondering if McCarthy felt the same way those last few years and was just phoning it in.

He knew as much as Rodgers what all those guys ment to his team

Was he being consulted at all, or was he being told to just shut up and coach the team?

You wouldn't think a coach would want to get rid of all his leaders

[Freak Out]

Man, sort of sad but I also hope they _finally_ go all in and win it. They probably will be ass for at least a year or two with Love just like they were with Rodgers so I think it makes sense to load up this year and pay the bill down the road. Get that title. Bretsky is right. Life is about winning championships. Sick of being the bridesmaid but never the bride.

All in how? Trade for some crazy defensive talent? What does it mean? Cobb? lol

[call_me_ishmael]

All in how? Trade for some crazy defensive talent? What does it mean? Cobb? lol

They essentially did go all in this year pushing everything down the road.

Inevitably when some quality player ends up available mid-season, I'd like to pursue that if it makes the team better. I think they will do that. It's super bowl or bust then break-up, so might as well get the bowl.

[Jaire]

All in how? Trade for some crazy defensive talent? What does it mean? Cobb? lol

Just read a little rumor that AR is gunning for another big addition. .....just why is he holding out on a restructure?????

Is it that now with GB at the edge in cap gives him a card finally? No restructure unless AR gets his man?

Just speculation. (And this goes much deeper too. Lots not being said still. Remember AR wanted Skittles in 2010.)

[Fritz]

Woodson was 36 when they released him. Had lost a step and they also had rookie Casey Hayward to play the slot. Did Woodson have another two good years ? Yes he did, but its not like any other team, other then the Raiders, had an interest in him.

Jordy Nelson was 32, a year off an ACL tear and had lost a step. If Nelson was so damned good that last year in GB, why did Rodgers only target him on 88 passes ? Nelson was really, really good until the acl tear and age caught him.

Touchdown Jesus ? Really ? Maybe A-Aron lost his toking partner when they let him go. ( Apparently Rodgers must have smoked a bowl before his presser since he thought, arguably, that TD Jesus was the second best receiver on the team during camp ?! )

Julius Peppers ? Whatever.

The guy indirectly points the finger at management inferring that those moves could have won them a super bowl and somehow thinks that being a good locker room guy is more important than getting open on the field. Yet, when said "good guy" wasn't getting open, he would do his lovely, annoyed eyeroll crap on the field.

It's ironic that over the years he has bemoaned the FO for not going all in, yet his idea of all in is bringing back slow, non impact players.

MJ thought the same shit, then bought a team and went out and proved to everyone that he had no f'n clue about player acquisition.

I'll cheer AR on the field, but will also be happy when he is gone. I'd rather see guys striving to be great than bemoaning how they feel under valued.

I think Sparkey has really nailed it with this post. You can quibble with some of the details, but the fact of the matter remains that had the Packers done all that, they'd have been even older and slower than they were when they got blown out by a much faster Atlanta Falcons team in the NFC Championship game in, what, the 2016 season?

Sounds like the ghost of the late George Allen and his "Over the Hill Gang" is the influence for Arod's player personnel ideas.