Last Dance Green Bay

[HarveyWallbangers]

Adams cap hit next season? His contract expires after this season.

Doh

[texaspackerbacker]

With Rodgers reworked contract, In 2022 the Packers will be almost 50 million over the projected 208.2 million dollar cap. This really is the "last dance" with this group. Rodgers cap hit in 2022 will be around 46 million.

That's pretty much the numbers I heard too. Somebody tell me, given that huge cap number in '22, how in the hell are they gonna trade him? Who could, much less would give a shitload in trade for that kind of a cap hit even for the GOAT who still likely will be playing GOAT-quality football?

The answer, of course, would be a massive long term extension and restructure. So if whatever other team would do that - and give multiple first round draft picks besides, why wouldn't the Packers do the same thing beyond this season? Answer, sadly, the only people making those kinds of decision are too damn dumb to do the obvious thing.

[Jaire]

That's pretty much the numbers I heard too. Somebody tell me, given that huge cap number in '22, how in the hell are they gonna trade him? Who could, much less would give a shitload in trade for that kind of a cap hit even for the GOAT who still likely will be playing GOAT-quality football?

The answer, of course, would be a massive long term extension and restructure. So if whatever other team would do that - and give multiple first round draft picks besides, why wouldn't the Packers do the same thing beyond this season? Answer, sadly, the only people making those kinds of decision are too damn dumb to do the obvious thing.

If Rodgers is traded, our hit is around 27 million I believe. The other team gets a steal: 26.5 million salary. It's set up for a very sweet trade.

[Jaire]

As a quick cap fix:

Trade Rodgers (20m)
Cut Cobb (8m)
Cut Preston (12m)
New contract with Jaire (13m)


Not saying we have to do this but all four of these contracts are getting reworked assuredly. That puts us 10m under the cap. 2023 has a lot of money available and will see a huge bump in cap.

It's not that dire at all. Just next year is tricky. Also I think 2022 will see a bigger bump than to 210m. There is no reason not to think that outside another shut down which I don't foresee (not for the v@xxxed at least).

Edit: my cap numbers are off a bit. I don't have the latest. Still 3million under. The only real decision I see is what to do with Za' Darius. It's NOT a blow it all up by any means. They have the foubdation and nucleus going forward for the next 4 years. I do think (and have thought so all year) that Adams is gone. I love Adams but WR is easy to replace in MLF's system. Edge, NT, CB, LT QB are still the premiums. Adams has simply outpriced his value to the team. They will have to draft another next year but that's the only "must draft" position or FA.

The tricky part would be bringing back AR but it can be done and he is much more valuable than Davante.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Rodgers is traded, our hit is around 27 million I believe. The other team gets a steal: 26.5 million salary. It's set up for a very sweet trade.

So you're saying the Packers throw away the foreseeable future by trading Rodgers, and they STILL have a $27 million cap hit? Sheeeeeeesh! And Gutekunst is such a damn jackass that he is pushing for something that rotten?

[texaspackerbacker]

As a quick cap fix:

Trade Rodgers (20m)
Cut Cobb (8m)
Cut Preston (12m)
New contract with Jaire (13m)


Not saying we have to do this but all four of these contracts are getting reworked assuredly. That puts us 10m under the cap. 2023 has a lot of money available and will see a huge bump in cap.

It's not that dire at all. Just next year is tricky. Also I think 2022 will see a bigger bump than to 210m. There is no reason not to think that outside another shut down which I don't foresee (not for the v@xxxed at least).

Edit: my cap numbers are off a bit. I don't have the latest. Still 3million under. The only real decision I see is what to do with Za' Darius. It's NOT a blow it all up by any means. They have the foubdation and nucleus going forward for the next 4 years. I do think (and have thought so all year) that Adams is gone. I love Adams but WR is easy to replace in MLF's system. Edge, NT, CB, LT QB are still the premiums. Adams has simply outpriced his value to the team. They will have to draft another next year but that's the only "must draft" position or FA.

The tricky part would be bringing back AR but it can be done and he is much more valuable than Davante.

I like what you have to say. I'd vote for you to be GM. However, the only way that "tricky part" ever happens is if God damned Gutekunst is on board to make it happen, and it looks strongly like the bastard is not.

[King Friday]

So you're saying the Packers throw away the foreseeable future by trading Rodgers, and they STILL have a $27 million cap hit? Sheeeeeeesh! And Gutekunst is such a damn jackass that he is pushing for something that rotten?

$8M of that is Cobb...who Gute had no interest in bringing back.

[call_me_ishmael]

A really interesting question for me right now is let's say ARod has an MVP year and Love sucks it up in limited action in preseason. What do the Packers do next year?

Conventional wisdom says they've already agreed to deal him, but what if they're in a really tough spot? Do they try and retain him like they did this year? Do they strong arm him and force him to retire if he won't play, etc? Could be really interesting.

Would the Packers do right by Rodgers and give him an extension in that case so he's not a lame duck?

[Upnorth]

A really interesting question for me right now is let's say ARod has an MVP year and Love sucks it up in limited action in preseason. What do the Packers do next year?

Conventional wisdom says they've already agreed to deal him, but what if they're in a really tough spot? Do they try and retain him like they did this year? Do they strong arm him and force him to retire if he won't play, etc? Could be really interesting.

Would the Packers do right by Rodgers and give him an extension in that case so he's not a lame duck?

If love sucks yes you fight like he'll to some how keep rodgers, and try to draft our future #1 as well.
I dont like the phrase do right by though. Dude has made millions with them. He is not struggling.

[Joemailman]

Love would have to be really bad for them to give up on him. If that happens though, they might trade Rodgers and use pick(s) they got for him to move way up in the 1st round to draft a top QB.

[King Friday]

Would the Packers do right by Rodgers and give him an extension in that case so he's not a lame duck?

There seems to be little desire from the front office side to adjust how they approach business, and that appears to be Rodgers' largest sticking point. Both sides have some validity to their arguments...the FO should seek a HOF caliber QB's advice at times, and Rodgers should recognize that building the roster is more than about right now.

I suppose Love looking horrible is possible, but I don't expect that. He is a talented kid, and the offense has a lot of capable weapons. The Packers expect Love to be ready next year, although my guess was that they hoped to get one more year out of Rodgers after this season. Since they are likely to get a good return on a trade for Rodgers if they have to move him, I don't feel the team is nervous about the transition. The team will take a step back, but will be ready to take a step forward again sooner than if Love was not on the roster right now.

At this point I am about 50-50 on whether Rodgers retires after the season or moves on. It appears he seriously considered retirement, and moving to a new team would be a lot more work for him. If he wins a 2nd title, does he just call it quits?

[texaspackerbacker]

A really interesting question for me right now is let's say ARod has an MVP year and Love sucks it up in limited action in preseason. What do the Packers do next year?

Conventional wisdom says they've already agreed to deal him, but what if they're in a really tough spot? Do they try and retain him like they did this year? Do they strong arm him and force him to retire if he won't play, etc? Could be really interesting.

Would the Packers do right by Rodgers and give him an extension in that case so he's not a lame duck?

First of all, it's not a matter of "doing right by Rodgers". It's a matter of maximizing the prospect of winning games. That is true whether "Love sucks", as I don't think he will or Love is decent to excellent, the range I expect him to fall in. Either way, the best course is to hold onto him and find out how good Love is in 3-5 years - or more.

Have the Packers agreed to "deal him" to get him into camp? Believing that is basically calling Rodgers a liar, probably calling Gutekunst and Murphy liars too. I know for a fact Rodgers said otherwise. Gutekunst just kinda sidestepped the question.

Picture the Packers 5 years from now. Will the Packers be better off with Rodgers still the QB, presumably still going strong at basically the age Brady was last season? Or with Love in his 2nd or 3rd or 4th season as a starter and a shitload (probably smaller shitload than some expect) of high draft picks? I say slam dunk sure, the former - both in 5 years and all the time getting to that 5 year mark.

[texaspackerbacker]

There seems to be little desire from the front office side to adjust how they approach business, and that appears to be Rodgers' largest sticking point. Both sides have some validity to their arguments...the FO should seek a HOF caliber QB's advice at times, and Rodgers should recognize that building the roster is more than about right now.

I suppose Love looking horrible is possible, but I don't expect that. He is a talented kid, and the offense has a lot of capable weapons. The Packers expect Love to be ready next year, although my guess was that they hoped to get one more year out of Rodgers after this season. Since they are likely to get a good return on a trade for Rodgers if they have to move him, I don't feel the team is nervous about the transition. The team will take a step back, but will be ready to take a step forward again sooner than if Love was not on the roster right now.

At this point I am about 50-50 on whether Rodgers retires after the season or moves on. It appears he seriously considered retirement, and moving to a new team would be a lot more work for him. If he wins a 2nd title, does he just call it quits?

I hate to say it, but I think you're right about the mindset of the Packer leadership. Love being "ready", even the best anybody could expect from him would be very much below the level of Aaron Rodgers even if he deteriorates a bit.

Myself, whether it's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or more years from now, I'd rather see Rodgers retire than go either by trade or free agency to another team. Shoving him out the door makes less sense than being a "seller" at the trade deadline in baseball. If I was a Cubs or Rangers or Nationals fan, I'd be talking about lynching the GM, etc.

[call_me_ishmael]

Picture the Packers 5 years from now. Will the Packers be better off with Rodgers still the QB, presumably still going strong at basically the age Brady was last season? Or with Love in his 2nd or 3rd or 4th season as a starter and a shitload (probably smaller shitload than some expect) of high draft picks? I say slam dunk sure, the former - both in 5 years and all the time getting to that 5 year mark.

Honestly Tex, I have to say I think this is spot on. Maybe not 5 years, but certainly 3 in my eyes.

[Fritz]

There seems to be little desire from the front office side to adjust how they approach business, and that appears to be Rodgers' largest sticking point. Both sides have some validity to their arguments...the FO should seek a HOF caliber QB's advice at times, and Rodgers should recognize that building the roster is more than about right now.

I suppose Love looking horrible is possible, but I don't expect that. He is a talented kid, and the offense has a lot of capable weapons. The Packers expect Love to be ready next year, although my guess was that they hoped to get one more year out of Rodgers after this season. Since they are likely to get a good return on a trade for Rodgers if they have to move him, I don't feel the team is nervous about the transition. The team will take a step back, but will be ready to take a step forward again sooner than if Love was not on the roster right now.

At this point I am about 50-50 on whether Rodgers retires after the season or moves on. It appears he seriously considered retirement, and moving to a new team would be a lot more work for him. If he wins a 2nd title, does he just call it quits?

Knowing that Rodgers is highly motivated by what he perceives as slights and mistreatment, I would be surprised if he retired after this year, no matter what happens. My guess is that if he's not happy with the front office changes - which do seem superficial at this point, as Gutes seems to be pretending to accommondate Rodgers while being sure everyone knows he's the number one decision-maker - then Rodgers will make things as miserable as he can until they trade him