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  • The NFC title game had no shortage of controversial moments and questionable decisions. But it seems one is flying under the radar. Yes, Green Bay Packers coach Mike LaFleur should have decided to go for it on fourth down -- rather than settle for th


    So Rodgers admits he pussied out on running it cuz he figured he'd have another shot. That is just piss poor.
    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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    • Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
      Your understanding of game theory ain’t up to date, hombre.

      On 4th down, the Packers had a 10.8 percent chance of winning the game had they gone for it. 7.8 percent with a field goal. Furthermore, Josh Fucking Rosen wasn’t playing QB for the Pack that day. In case you haven’t heard, the Great Arm of Butte is pretty good. With 12, there was a 33 percent chance the Packers woulda scored a TD on 4th down, which was above the 20 percent threshold to justify going for it in such situation.

      https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/.amp/...-down-decision
      You cherry pick one analytics site.

      ESPN's analytics slightly favored going for it.

      WP go: 10.0%
      WP kick: 9.5%
      Late in the NFC Championship Game, the Packers kicked a field goal. Sports Info Solutions breaks down a few win probability models to go over the call.


      Another source of in-game win probability information, DeckPrism Sports, which supplies in-game odds to sports betting operations, had win probabilities with two differences from the other sources. It had a much higher win probability for the Packers whether Green Bay attempted the field goal or went for it and it also calculated LaFleur’s optimal choice being to kick.
      Green Bay gains 2.5% win chance, 27.5% vs 25%, by kicking a field goal 4th and goal from 8. Been awhile since FG was correct, but Lafleur nails it.

      Our live odds would have had it breakeven at the 4.5 yard line. ie kick from the 5, go for it from the 4.
      So, while it is true that the Packers would have had a stronger incentive to go for the touchdown if Rodgers had scrambled on third down, the SIS model indicates that the Packers still had an uphill battle, which relates back to what Walder said:

      Scoring a touchdown would’ve still required a two-point conversion to tie, and even if the game was tied, Tom Brady’s Buccaneers would’ve been much better positioned to kick a field goal to win the game in regulation. Moreover, even if the Packers were to have everything go right, including getting a stop and forcing overtime, the game would still just be a 50-50 proposition at that point.
      I would have been fine with either decision. I don't think there was a right or wrong move.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post

        I would have been fine with either decision. I don't think there was a right or wrong move.
        That's how I feel about it to. I think the biggest mistake is the one MLF admitted to, not telling Rodgers they would be kicking, not going for it on 4th.
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        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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        • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
          https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/01/pac...nfc-title-game

          So Rodgers admits he pussied out on running it cuz he figured he'd have another shot. That is just piss poor.
          He also had MVS in the corner with position to throw back inside to the goal posts.

          Rodgers focused too heavily on Adams the last two throws.

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          • Originally posted by Sparkey View Post
            He also had MVS in the corner with position to throw back inside to the goal posts.

            Rodgers focused too heavily on Adams the last two throws.
            And let us not forget that Adams, as wonderful as he is, dropped a touchdown pass in the first half that would have changed the decision-making here. And of course ESB dropped that two-point conversion. I think that drop is something he's going to have to work awfully hard to overcome in this training camp. He probably needs to catch every single ball thrown to him.
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • Originally posted by Sparkey View Post
              He also had MVS in the corner with position to throw back inside to the goal posts.

              Rodgers focused too heavily on Adams the last two throws.
              And someone, can't say who for sure, didn't run the ball the entire 4th quarter.
              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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              • I was surprised that they gave up on the run so quickly after Aaron Jones went down. I would have thought AJ Dillon would have been the perfect choice to get some carries in that fourth quarter. Jamaal Williams is a nice back, can do some things really well, but he only can get what is there - and not much was admittedly there. On the other hand, Dillon can bang through some people and ought to have gotten some carries, if for no other reason than to keep those damn TB pass rushers from just teeing it up on poor Rick Wagner.
                "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                KYPack

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                • Jamaal Williams is better than that. I expect his YAC will be better than AJ Dillon in 2021.
                  That said, AJ is younger and cheaper and of similar potential.

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                  • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                    I was surprised that they gave up on the run so quickly after Aaron Jones went down. I would have thought AJ Dillon would have been the perfect choice to get some carries in that fourth quarter. Jamaal Williams is a nice back, can do some things really well, but he only can get what is there - and not much was admittedly there. On the other hand, Dillon can bang through some people and ought to have gotten some carries, if for no other reason than to keep those damn TB pass rushers from just teeing it up on poor Rick Wagner.
                    I thought the whole point of drafting Dillon was to batter the living crap out of defenses in late season games. It was bizarre how they didn't use the right weapon at the right time. There's a time for the rapier, there's a time for the dirk, there's a time for the war-hammer. SMH.

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                    • The only way I want Rodgers back next year is if he agrees to do Brady contracts... We'll never win a SB with him taking up so much cap...

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                      • Originally posted by ptisme View Post
                        The only way I want Rodgers back next year is if he agrees to do Brady contracts... We'll never win a SB with him taking up so much cap...
                        To a limited degree I do think he meant in when he said it wasn't about money. But he views the money as the respect also. And I still believe he doesn't want to play anywhere but Green Bay.
                        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                        • This will never not be funny.

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                          • Same with this one. Frankly this is the best content of the past year.

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                            • Do they have the one where Gutes smiles wryly and says "knew I could get him for exactly 2 more years after I drafted his replacement and then be able to still trade him for max value"
                              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                              • RECAP of getting AROD back--My theory as well as some of those who cover the Packers

                                Rodgers- Not coming unless you show me some luv and bring back Randall
                                Gutebag---Ignores the request....piss off
                                Matty Ice the Coach to Gute- For gods sake give up a late round pick for Cobb- Continues to use Media to praise how wonderful AROD is time after time...praying silently he comes back
                                Gutebag- Ignores request further
                                MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA--Gootie Schmmootie.....just give up a late round pick to get Cobb back so AROD shows up
                                Gutebag- Pouts but finally gives in

                                FOLLOW UP PRESSER--Questions Asked

                                Gutebag- Instead of saying GB is always looking to improve and Randall Cobb gives that opporunity.....in a pouting manner basically says he didn't want Randall Cobb and that was forced by Rodgers
                                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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