2022 NFL Draft Talk

[Bretsky]

Not bad, put I would take Christian Watson over Burks.

Still think I'd take Burks but I'd be ok with either

Dotson from Penn State getting lots of love lately as I've seen several predict GB nabe him R1

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-prospect-best-fits-teams-schemes-2022

BEST 2022 NFL DRAFT PROSPECT SCHEME FITS

NORTH DAKOTA STATE WR CHRISTIAN WATSON - GREEN BAY PACKERS

After trading Davante Adams to Las Vegas, quarterback Aaron Rodgers has quickly seen his wideouts room empty out with little high-end talent remaining. While there are many options for a true top receiver in this class, you’d be hard-pressed to find one with the potential of Watson. One of the most fluid athletes in the class, similarly to Adams, Watson would undoubtedly holster the majority of Rodgers' targets without a hiccup. A high-flying aerial attack led by the future first-ballot Hall of Famer, Watson’s multiple seasons of work in the frozen tundra of North Dakota should translate nicely to the bitter cold of Green Bay. If he’s on the board come the No. 22 overall pick, I would be surprised if he’s not the pick by General Manager Brian Gutekunst. Size, speed and playmaking ability in the twitched-up frame of Watson doesn’t grow on trees.

[Bretsky]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...s-schemes-2022

BEST 2022 NFL DRAFT PROSPECT SCHEME FITS

NORTH DAKOTA STATE WR CHRISTIAN WATSON - GREEN BAY PACKERS

After trading Davante Adams to Las Vegas, quarterback Aaron Rodgers has quickly seen his wideouts room empty out with little high-end talent remaining. While there are many options for a true top receiver in this class, you’d be hard-pressed to find one with the potential of Watson. One of the most fluid athletes in the class, similarly to Adams, Watson would undoubtedly holster the majority of Rodgers' targets without a hiccup. A high-flying aerial attack led by the future first-ballot Hall of Famer, Watson’s multiple seasons of work in the frozen tundra of North Dakota should translate nicely to the bitter cold of Green Bay. If he’s on the board come the No. 22 overall pick, I would be surprised if he’s not the pick by General Manager Brian Gutekunst. Size, speed and playmaking ability in the twitched-up frame of Watson doesn’t grow on trees.

Which WR's would you select Watson over ?

Are Watson and Williams too much alike to have on same team ? NFL Network was all over the idea that the smarter teams are going to be really looking at the Alabama Superstar. They felt Hoody Genius and Andy Reid would be all over this guy. Mentioned GB as the third team that might jump for him at 28.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Which WR's would you select Watson over ?

Are Watson and Williams too much alike to have on same team ? NFL Network was all over the idea that the smarter teams are going to be really looking at the Alabama Superstar. They felt Hoody Genius and Andy Reid would be all over this guy. Mentioned GB as the third team that might jump for him at 28.

For the Packers scheme, Drake London is the only no doubter for me. Jameson Williams would be w/o the torn ACL. Maybe Garrett Wilson and George Pickens. Watson is the perfect fit for us. He has the deep speed to replace MVS. He's a good blocker--which MLF loves. He can run the jet motions, so no need to carry a guy like Tyler Ervin. He's a kick returner. He is not a bad route runner. He looked good at the Senior Bowl running routes--certainly better than Jalen Tolbert. He's "Packer People." He has some swag. My biggest concern is his hands, but I don't think they are MVS bad. I don't think he'll be a big contested catch guy in the NFL, but neither is Chris Olave.

I like Treylon Burks, but the fact that 70% of his snaps in college were in the slot is worrisome. If the Packers draft him, I'll be okay with it--because that would tell me the Packers think he can play outside. When watching film, remember that just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't (ala A.J. Dillon and his receiving ability).

I really want one of these guys: London, Williams, Pickens, Watson, Alec Pierce, and/or Tolbert. Williams and one of the other guys would be tremendous, but I think that's a pipe dream.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've heard comments about Watson not being productive in college. That tells me people haven't really dug into Watson. NDSU had 700 rushing attempts and 255 passing attempts last year. They play like they are still running the veer offense from the 80s. The teams for most of the other top WRs threw it 450 times or more. Basically, Watson's 800 receiving yards came in a half season worth of passing attempts for the other guys. NDSU's second leading receiver (Phoenix Sproles, Darren's cousin) had 284 yards. 284 yards!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wisconsin's OL made Hutchinson, Ojabo, and Ebiketie look like All-Pros last year. I'm watching film on Logan Bruss. I don't know if Wisconsin's OL was terrible yet or if those guys are just really good. Ojabo and Ebiketie are impressive pass rushers. Ebiketie looks really light in the pants though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ewww. Let's not draft THAT guy.

To be fair, the athletic types do hit quite often. Diesch's athleticism immediately stands out, but his tape isn't great. He has a decent anchor, but little power at the POA in the run game. He needs a lot of improvement with his hands. I took a look at his measurables and they are eerily similar to Spriggs:

Diesch = 6'7" 301 4.89 40, 4.43 shuttle, 7.77 3 cone, 32.5" vertical, 110" broad jump
Spriggs = 6'6" 301 4.94 40, 4.44 shuttle, 7.70 3 cone, 31.5" vertical, 115" broad jump

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bruss looked a heck of a lot better in the second half of the Penn State game and in the Notre Dame game, so maybe those other guys are just that good.

[Joemailman]

Luke Goedeke is an offensive lineman who has Packer written all over him. Tight End turned Tackle started his college career at UW Stevens Point. Transferred to Central Michigan and started 25 games at RT in zone heavy scheme despite missing 2020 with injury. Probably will play Guard in the NFL. Likely Day 3 pick.

[run pMc]

For the Packers scheme, Drake London is the only no doubter for me. Jameson Williams would be w/o the torn ACL. Maybe Garrett Wilson and George Pickens. Watson is the perfect fit for us. He has the deep speed to replace MVS. He's a good blocker--which MLF loves. He can run the jet motions, so no need to carry a guy like Tyler Ervin. He's a kick returner. He is not a bad route runner. He looked good at the Senior Bowl running routes--certainly better than Jalen Tolbert. He's "Packer People." He has some swag. My biggest concern is his hands, but I don't think they are MVS bad. I don't think he'll be a big contested catch guy in the NFL, but neither is Chris Olave.

I like Treylon Burks, but the fact that 70% of his snaps in college were in the slot is worrisome. If the Packers draft him, I'll be okay with it--because that would tell me the Packers think he can play outside. When watching film, remember that just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't (ala A.J. Dillon and his receiving ability).

I really want one of these guys: London, Williams, Pickens, Watson, Alec Pierce, and/or Tolbert. Williams and one of the other guys would be tremendous, but I think that's a pipe dream.

Burks is a thick dude and his reduced splits might appear to MLF given how close they often have the WRs to the ends. While not a burner I think his play speed is fine and he gives off Anquan Boldin vibes. He gave Alabama a pretty good fight and I think he has certainly potential to be a good player. I'm not sure he's AJ Brown good, and I don't think he's Deebo either.

I like Pickens a little better than Watson. For some reason there's just something about Watson that feels boom-or-bust to me and I'd be nervous picking him before late R2. I could see where he's an MVS replacement, although part of me feels like he's almost an ESB replacement. If Gute keeps all his picks I'd be fine if they spent one of them on Watson, but everyone has their draft crushes so I guess it depends on when/where and who else is available.

Agree Drake London seems like a player GB would target. Not sure how I'd feel about them packaging both picks to move up and get him. There's plenty of WR depth and I think they have roster needs. If it was a question of trading 2 R1 to get London or taking Watson at 59 I'd probably take Watson.
This is a deep draft more than a top-heavy draft, so the whole "more bites at the apple" stuff is probably the way I'd prefer.

I think they would be ok if they took Olave or Burks too. Wilson will likely be gone, Williams and the ACL would be a maybe. I like Metchie but he has the ACL and I think he's a bit more high-floor/low-ceiling guy who will be there late Day 2/early Day 3.

Still feels like they will go DL or EDGE to me, with an outside shot at an OL if a good one falls out of the top 15 to them. RT is a sneaky need for them, they don't have much depth at EDGE, and after this season it's Clark and Slaton under contract on the DL.

[run pMc]

Damone Clark out for 2022 with a spinal fusion to repair a herniated disk.
That's gonna hurt his draft stock.

https://www.nfl.com/news/top-lb-prospect-damone-clark-undergoing-spinal-fusion-surgery-likely-to-miss-202

[Fritz]

Burks is a thick dude and his reduced splits might appear to MLF given how close they often have the WRs to the ends. While not a burner I think his play speed is fine and he gives off Anquan Boldin vibes. He gave Alabama a pretty good fight and I think he has certainly potential to be a good player. I'm not sure he's AJ Brown good, and I don't think he's Deebo either.

I like Pickens a little better than Watson. For some reason there's just something about Watson that feels boom-or-bust to me and I'd be nervous picking him before late R2. I could see where he's an MVS replacement, although part of me feels like he's almost an ESB replacement. If Gute keeps all his picks I'd be fine if they spent one of them on Watson, but everyone has their draft crushes so I guess it depends on when/where and who else is available.

Agree Drake London seems like a player GB would target. Not sure how I'd feel about them packaging both picks to move up and get him. There's plenty of WR depth and I think they have roster needs. If it was a question of trading 2 R1 to get London or taking Watson at 59 I'd probably take Watson.
This is a deep draft more than a top-heavy draft, so the whole "more bites at the apple" stuff is probably the way I'd prefer.

I think they would be ok if they took Olave or Burks too. Wilson will likely be gone, Williams and the ACL would be a maybe. I like Metchie but he has the ACL and I think he's a bit more high-floor/low-ceiling guy who will be there late Day 2/early Day 3.

Still feels like they will go DL or EDGE to me, with an outside shot at an OL if a good one falls out of the top 15 to them. RT is a sneaky need for them, they don't have much depth at EDGE, and after this season it's Clark and Slaton under contract on the DL.

I would tend to agree about keeping the picks, but of course it always depends on how the guys they take end up working out. Last time they had four picks in the first two rounds was 1967, with Lombardi at the helm, and according to ACME, "In that 1967 draft, Green Bay chose offensive lineman Bob Hyland and quarterback Don Horn in round one, before taking wide receiver Dave Dunaway and linebacker Jim Flanigan in round two."

I was just beginning my love affair with the Packers back in '67, so my vague memory is that Don Horn never did much at all, except I think he had one good game. That was not a good pick. I think Bob Hyland left after a few years, did little in GB. Very little. Flanigan never amounted to anything, as I recall. No memory of Dave Dunaway. So that draft sucked. Just badly. That was as bad a draft as Ted's 2015 draft, which was his worst - that was the Damarious Randall/Quinten Rollins/Ty Montgomery/Brett Hundley draft. Ugh.

So let's hope that Gutekunst is far superior as a talent evaluator than Vince Lombardi in 1967 and Ted Thompson in 2015.

[run pMc]

TT lost his fastball toward the end there.
Randall shoulda been a safety, I actually think a player like him would be good in Barry's star role on defense.
Rollins was the head scratcher to me; not a great athlete, played one year of CFB after playing PG for the basketball team at Miami of Ohio. That's a R2 reach if one existed, and in retrospect a really bad pick.
Ty was more of a gadget player and an old pick, but he was also misused (or injured). He wasn't really a pure WR but more of a guy you have to manufacture a few touches for, and I actually think in MLF's offense he'd be pretty fun (not quite Deebo but still a weapon).
I'm not sure MM knew what to do with him or how to use him properly. Hundley was a late round pick and I think taking flyers on QBs to develop as backups a la Matt Flynn is fine.

I guess in a vacuum I can understand most of those picks but they sure didn't turn out. Randall and Ty were head cases, Rollins lasted 3 years(?) and wasn't very good. Bad drafting can really set you back and it hurt GB.

So far Gute's been ok except for R3. Jaire, Rashan and Stokes look like good picks. Savage is so-so, and then of course Jordan Love. He's found some other good players on Day 2 & 3 as well, so I think he's a decent talent evaluator in general. They've been very sharp on their FA and pro player acquisitions - Smiths, Turner, Amos, Campbell, Rasul, Tyler Ervin, etc. were pretty good.

[Fritz]

Agree on TT. He did have Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones in his last two drafts, but he also had Kevin King, Josh Jones, Montravius Adams, and Jason Spriggs in the first three rounds of his last two drafts. Ugh.

I wonder sometimes if the organization saw him becoming ill but was too paralyzed to act on it.

Agree with your Ty Montgomery comments,too, and about Rollins. That was just weird, that one.

[Joemailman]

The year they drafted Randall and Rollins, they were talking about how those these guys had excelled at other sports. Rollins played basketball at Miami and Randall had played baseball. Not sure why that was an emphasis. Rollins played 1 year of college football, and was MAC defensive player of the year. TT seemed to be sold on 1 year of great production and ignored lack of athleticism. Rollins' RAS score was shockingly low for a 2nd round pick.