Davante Adams traded?

[bobblehead]

to me, something doesn't smell right

i don't buy for a second that the packers offered to match what oakland was giving. we did not need to trade him, and we sure as hell didn't need to trade him jst 2 days after he said he wasn't gonna play under the franchise tag

i also have to wonder what this does to rodgers. he signed a very team friendly deal in part to get the adams deal done. does he say fuck it now and just retire?

He signed a CAP friendly deal for a 2 years. He will get a shit ton of money (metric, not U.S. shit ton). I have no clue if it was to fit Adams in. Reports are that he knew the score going in, but reports have been known to be....not true. (see me in FYI for examples).

To be honest, the 3 good players and draft resources we will get instead of signing Adams seems like a no brainer to me. If Rodgers is unhappy about it, I'm sure we can still trade him now, suck for a year as we cut pretty much anyone on a second contract, and be ready for the reset in 2023.

[bobblehead]

Interesting point.

I've been feeling for over a year that Adams should move on to a bigger market (based on many interviews he gave in the offseason before last draft). When I heard he was best friends with Carr and I thought about that division and the Raiders WR room as well as Carr's strengths -- it seemed like a perfect fit. Plus closer to home for Adams and a bigger stage. And he already bought a home in Vegas .......it was a just a matter of time. I think everyone (even AR) is happy. They will get MVS and Tonyan back for continuity in the offense and then no doubt a draft pick and an FA (at some point).

I have been a pretty big MVS fan, but rumors of him getting $10 million a year....wow, I couldn't see matching that for a guy without a 1k season.

[call_me_ishmael]

He signed a CAP friendly deal for a 2 years. He will get a shit ton of money (metric, not U.S. shit ton). I have no clue if it was to fit Adams in. Reports are that he knew the score going in, but reports have been known to be....not true. (see me in FYI for examples).

To be honest, the 3 good players and draft resources we will get instead of signing Adams seems like a no brainer to me. If Rodgers is unhappy about it, I'm sure we can still trade him now, suck for a year as we cut pretty much anyone on a second contract, and be ready for the reset in 2023.

I think you're a smart guy, but I sometimes think you're short sighted about this stuff. Imagine if the Rams blew it up after being in cap hell to make the super bowl against NE a few years back. They tried a couple more years and were knocking on the door, but didn't quite make it. They were very much like us. On their 5th or 6th try, they finally got over the hump, despite kicking the can down the road. The Packers are very much in the same boat IMO. They're right there, they just need to tweak a little bit and get a little bit lucky. Case in point - Stafford threw the game away against the Niners and they dropped the ball. We just need our lucky break and to keep knocking on the door and eventually they will get through.

I do really believe they will win another SB before Rodgers hangs 'em up.

They didn't panic and blow it all up after last year despite underachieving in the playoffs and losing big time to the Pack. They continued to iterate and get incrementally better. We can do the same with small tweaks. They managed to move an albatross of a contract and still stay competitive. In the event that we absolutely need to, we could too.

[Upnorth]

I think you're a smart guy, but I sometimes think you're short sighted about this stuff. Imagine if the Rams blew it up after being in cap hell to make the super bowl against NE a few years back. They tried a couple more years and were knocking on the door, but didn't quite make it. They were very much like us. On their 5th or 6th try, they finally got over the hump, despite kicking the can down the road. The Packers are very much in the same boat IMO. They're right there, they just need to tweak a little bit and get a little bit lucky. Case in point - Stafford threw the game away against the Niners and they dropped the ball. We just need our lucky break and to keep knocking on the door and eventually they will get through.

I do really believe they will win another SB before Rodgers hangs 'em up.

They didn't panic and blow it all up after last year despite underachieving in the playoffs and losing big time to the Pack. They continued to iterate and get incrementally better. We can do the same with small tweaks. They managed to move an albatross of a contract and still stay competitive. In the event that we absolutely need to, we could too.

I would argue trading Adams away isn't blowing it up. It does the opposite. It allows us the ability to bring in more talent and over the last 3 years We have proven we can win without him.

[bobblehead]

I think you're a smart guy, but I sometimes think you're short sighted about this stuff. Imagine if the Rams blew it up after being in cap hell to make the super bowl against NE a few years back. They tried a couple more years and were knocking on the door, but didn't quite make it. They were very much like us. On their 5th or 6th try, they finally got over the hump, despite kicking the can down the road. The Packers are very much in the same boat IMO. They're right there, they just need to tweak a little bit and get a little bit lucky. Case in point - Stafford threw the game away against the Niners and they dropped the ball. We just need our lucky break and to keep knocking on the door and eventually they will get through.

I do really believe they will win another SB before Rodgers hangs 'em up.

They didn't panic and blow it all up after last year despite underachieving in the playoffs and losing big time to the Pack. They continued to iterate and get incrementally better. We can do the same with small tweaks. They managed to move an albatross of a contract and still stay competitive. In the event that we absolutely need to, we could too.

My opinion has shifted very much now that we aren't paying a WR 25+ million a year. I was merely setting the record straight on the Rodgers deal which was not team friendly. I also think if they paid Adams and then coudn't sign 2 $14 million players and would be less a 1st and a 2nd then my original thesis holds....they can't win an owl.

The rams indeed won one, but they are fucked. They have one more year to win it and its over. Cap hell and no draft picks. They also traded their QB with the ludicrous cap hit for an old vet who didn't hit the cap as hard and who was better.

But I reiterate. With this trade they fixed a lot of the ills of paying just a handful of guys and kicking the can further down the road. The roster will be deeper and have more young talent. We have an MVP QB, and an elite Head coach. This move should have been made regardless of what Adams wanted.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

My opinion has shifted very much now that we aren't paying a WR 25+ million a year. I was merely setting the record straight on the Rodgers deal which was not team friendly. I also think if they paid Adams and then coudn't sign 2 $14 million players and would be less a 1st and a 2nd then my original thesis holds....they can't win an owl.

The rams indeed won one, but they are fucked. They have one more year to win it and its over. Cap hell and no draft picks. They also traded their QB with the ludicrous cap hit for an old vet who didn't hit the cap as hard and who was better.

But I reiterate. With this trade they fixed a lot of the ills of paying just a handful of guys and kicking the can further down the road. The roster will be deeper and have more young talent. We have an MVP QB, and an elite Head coach. This move should have been made regardless of what Adams wanted.

There’s no such fuck as a “cap hell” anymore. If anything, the Rams have debunked the Polar Bear’s Draft and Development Bullshit. Next year, the Rams, along with the other 31 teams, will be bailed out by Bezos. And Bezos is currently the 2nd richest man alive,…see Onion Thread in FYI for more.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers were 7-0 with Adams out of the lineup over the last 3 seasons.

Rodgers clearly can win without him, and maybe plays a lot smarter without him.

Enough said.

I've disagreed with you on some things, but THIS is spot on.

This stuff about the franchise rule is interesting, but getting a first and a second is a pretty decent haul anyway. Adams is 29 now/34 when this contract ends. As Fritz said, he had a great run here and we should be thankful for him. But the bottom line to me is that Oakland is gonna probably regret this deal in 2 or 3 years. As for Davante, I can see why for non-football reasons he wants to play there, but I'm fairly sure he's not gonna have the success either individually or team-wise as he would have had with the Packers and Rodgers. But congrats to him for getting the big money anyway.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I've disagreed with you on some things, but THIS is spot on.

This stuff about the franchise rule is interesting, but getting a first and a second is a pretty decent haul anyway. Adams is 29 now/34 when this contract ends. As Fritz said, he had a great run here and we should be thankful for him. But the bottom line to me is that Oakland is gonna probably regret this deal in 2 or 3 years. As for Davante, I can see why for non-football reasons he wants to play there, but I'm fairly sure he's not gonna have the success either individually or team-wise as he would have had with the Packers and Rodgers. But congrats to him for getting the big money anyway.

According to Twitter, the Packers actually offered Adams more frogskins. Ole Bobble has got to be affluent as fuck since he can afford to go skiing. Yet, guess what? He pays far less state income taxes per year - zero, to be exact - than I, a minimum-wage, burger flipper do flipping burgers in cold, dark and dull Wisconsin.

I guess since the Brothel State, Neveda, lacks a state income tax, Adams will eventually regroup all the frogskins, plus sumptuous change, that the Packers were willing to throw at him.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gosh, I forgot he's going to Vegas, not his hometown, Oakland hahahahaha.

[red]

According to Twitter, the Packers actually offered Adams more frogskins. Ole Bobble has got to be affluent as fuck since he can afford to go skiing. Yet, guess what? He pays far less state income taxes per year - zero, to be exact - than I, a minimum-wage, burger flipper do flipping burgers in cold, dark and dull Wisconsin.

I guess since the Brothel State, Neveda, lacks a state income tax, Adams will eventually regroup all the frogskins, plus sumptuous change, that the Packers were willing to throw at him.

makes no sense at all that we offered more

he was franchised. he got an offer all we had to do was match that offer and he's ours. i don't think he gets a say in the matter unless he decides to sit out the season if we match the offer

being fanchised isn't the same as just being a free agent, its not an all out bidding war

not sure why adams team would even put this out there unless they really wanted to make it look like he wanted to get out of town bad

[Joemailman]

makes no sense at all that we offered more

he was franchised. he got an offer all we had to do was match that offer and he's ours. i don't think he gets a say in the matter unless he decides to sit out the season if we match the offer

being fanchised isn't the same as just being a free agent, its not an all out bidding war

not sure why adams team would even put this out there unless they really wanted to make it look like he wanted to get out of town bad

My guess is Packers offered more overall, but less guaranteed. Guaranteed money was reported by some to be the sticking point in negotiations between Adams and Packers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

he was franchised. he got an offer all we had to do was match that offer and he's ours. i don't think he gets a say in the matter unless he decides to sit out the season if we match the offer

That's not how the franchise tag works. Other teams don't get to offer a franchised player a contract.

[Joemailman]

Wait until Adams gets to Las Vegas and discovers they don't have Kwik Trips or Culvers in Nevada.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

That's not how the franchise tag works. Other teams don't get to offer a franchised player a contract.

Pretty sure the franchise tag comes in 3 forms. Too lazy to research. But I think the top tier, player has absolutely no contact with other teams: 2nd tier, player can sign a contract with new team, old team can match, if not match, old team gets 2 1st rounders; 3rd tier, old team gets the right to match offer but no compensation ( see Fuller ordeal after Pack signed him from Bears).

Adams got the 2nd tier. Like Mailman said re bonus money, and LV probably wasn’t willing to give up 2 ones, so both teams agreed to the 1 and 2.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Pretty sure the franchise tag comes in 3 forms. Too lazy to research. But I think the top tier, player has absolutely no contact with other teams: 2nd tier, player can sign a contract with new team, old team can match, if not match, old team gets 2 1st rounders; 3rd tier, old team gets the right to match offer but no compensation ( see Fuller ordeal after Pack signed him from Bears).

Adams got the 2nd tier. Like Mailman said re bonus money, and LV probably wasn’t willing to give up 2 ones, so both teams agreed to the 1 and 2.

Yeah, I think you're right. It just rarely happens. If a franchised guy is moved, it's usually done via a trade.