Davante vs. Rookies

[run pMc]

He claims he won't post anymore this year because of the negative assholes. He should get some glasses. Vikings are sucking up the joint but they have some cushion.

Rastak, it seems like the Vikes have had a LOT of very good luck - playing Miami with a 3rd string QB, Detroit's coaches shitting the bed and letting MIN back in the game, Josh Allen with a one-in-a-million collapse. Are the Vikings for real? They have a history of getting hopes up and failing, and the NFC is such a mess this year it's hard to say.

I also think they've been pretty lucky with injuries for most of the season -- they have a lot of older players and you have to wonder if they will last a 17 game season. Having a big cushion in a crappy NFC might let them rest them at the end of season, but they still have a fool's gold vibe to me. Am I off?

I mean, the Giants are probably going to the playoffs, and they got beat by the Lions today, so who knows.

[run pMc]

MY TRANSLATION

GUTEBAG SHOUDL HAVE DEMMANDED NEXT YEAR'S FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK !!!!!

I would've been fine with Adams for 2 consecutive R1 picks instead of a same year R1 and R2.
You also could've talked me into taking the Georges (Pickens and Karlaftis) with their R1 picks this year.

As it is, I think the future is bright with Watson, Doubs, and even Toure, but they need more help. To wit:

Lazard is a nice complementary piece, but he's no WR1 and shouldn't be getting 10 targets a game.
Watkins seems like a good dude who tries hard but I think injuries have taken his athleticism. At this point in the season his legs are shot and I'm not even sure he's on the same page with Rodgers anyway.
Cobb is a fun story and halfway decent security blanket for Rodgers, but I don't know that you want him out there except on third down.

These 3 vets contracts are up after the season, and I would not be shocked if Gute brings none of them back. Maybe Lazard -- but again, he should be a WR3/big slot.

[Rastak]

Rastak, it seems like the Vikes have had a LOT of very good luck - playing Miami with a 3rd string QB, Detroit's coaches shitting the bed and letting MIN back in the game, Josh Allen with a one-in-a-million collapse. Are the Vikings for real? They have a history of getting hopes up and failing, and the NFC is such a mess this year it's hard to say.

I also think they've been pretty lucky with injuries for most of the season -- they have a lot of older players and you have to wonder if they will last a 17 game season. Having a big cushion in a crappy NFC might let them rest them at the end of season, but they still have a fool's gold vibe to me. Am I off?

I mean, the Giants are probably going to the playoffs, and they got beat by the Lions today, so who knows.

Not too far off. Secondary needs to get healthy fast but they are not what their record says at the moment.

[texaspackerbacker]

Now if only Green Bay had traded Rodgers to Denver. Imagine all the draft capital, and imagine that their record might be 3 - 8 instead of 4 - 7.

You'd be finding out if Love was the real deal, too. If he was, you're good to go. If not, you're looking to get that QB.

Big mistake to stay with Rodgers. Understandable, for sure, but in hindsight a mistake.

I notice Tex hasn't been posting shit for a couple weeks now.

I said I have a moratorium - which I break every time my name is taken in vain hahahaha.

Adams came through for them today - BFD, they're still just 3-7.

And nobody was as much in favor of drafting Watson as I was. Doubs surprised me, but he's gonna be damn good too. I'm EXTREMELY glad we have those two (and Toure too) instead of Adams going forward.

Since I broke my moratorium again, I'll just say this also: Fuck all the ingrates and IDIOTS who are stupid enough to want to move on from Aaron Rodgers or stupidly regretting that contract which effectively prevents them from trading or cutting him.

[run pMc]

For the record, I think their hands were somewhat tied with Rodgers on the contract. He was the MVP for two consecutive years and he was making noise. You don't let MVPs walk away, especially QBs.
They didn't have a lot of leverage, and they have even less now thanks to the guaranteed money. Their cap is fucked. I thought it was a bad contract, but I also thought he would play better than he has. He hasn't played up to the $50M he's making. The Daniel Joneses and Taylor Heineckes of the world are outplaying him.

If/when he retires or is traded, the Packers will likely suck for a while, but they're not good right now either... so I guess it's a question for another thread as to would you rather have Rodgers vs. Love and the cap space. (Honestly, they won't have the cap space for at least one post-Rodgers year anyway.)

Will the WRs be better next year? You certainly hope so. One or two of the three should take a Year 2 leap, especially with all the snaps they will get. They will need more receiving depth, preferably youth with maybe a quality veteran in there so the room isn't young. I could see them bring Lazard back for that reason but he shouldn't even be a WR2. With better receivers Rodgers should in theory play better if he's back next season. He's past his prime and can't carry a team anymore. He can lift an offense, sure, but he can't carry them like he used to.

[bobblehead]

Now if only Green Bay had traded Rodgers to Denver. Imagine all the draft capital, and imagine that their record might be 3 - 8 instead of 4 - 7.

You'd be finding out if Love was the real deal, too. If he was, you're good to go. If not, you're looking to get that QB.

Big mistake to stay with Rodgers. Understandable, for sure, but in hindsight a mistake.

I notice Tex hasn't been posting shit for a couple weeks now.

Some of us wanted to do that...at the time even, not after the "other" stuff. And as I pointed out in another thread. Are we sure Denver doesn't still want Rodgers?

[bobblehead]

Rastak, it seems like the Vikes have had a LOT of very good luck - playing Miami with a 3rd string QB, Detroit's coaches shitting the bed and letting MIN back in the game, Josh Allen with a one-in-a-million collapse. Are the Vikings for real? They have a history of getting hopes up and failing, and the NFC is such a mess this year it's hard to say.

I also think they've been pretty lucky with injuries for most of the season -- they have a lot of older players and you have to wonder if they will last a 17 game season. Having a big cushion in a crappy NFC might let them rest them at the end of season, but they still have a fool's gold vibe to me. Am I off?

I mean, the Giants are probably going to the playoffs, and they got beat by the Lions today, so who knows.

It seems that teams that are winning are always called lucky if it didn't fit the "narrative". The narrative is often wrong. The vikings are playing really good football (yesterday withstanding). My friend assured me the Rams were going to repeat because they went after guys in FA unlike that douche Gutes. Now he claims they are just unlucky, but Gutes still sucks.

The truth usually is right where the final record says it is. And the second truth is that parity in the NFL has removed "dominant" teams. The Owl is won either by Tom Brady, who is a cheating prick, or the team that gets hot at the right time. Often times that is also the best all around team....except when you believe the best all around team got "unlucky"

[Joemailman]

Packers rookie wide receivers through first nine games played.

[bobblehead]

For some reason when you post an image I am not seeing it.

In any event, I am dying to see Doubs and Watson on the field at the same time with Lazard serving as the 3.

[Joemailman]

For some reason when you post an image I am not seeing it.

In any event, I am dying to see Doubs and Watson on the field at the same time with Lazard serving as the 3.

It's a Twitter image, as were the injury reports I posted. Don't know if that helps.

[run pMc]

It seems that teams that are winning are always called lucky if it didn't fit the "narrative". The narrative is often wrong. The vikings are playing really good football (yesterday withstanding). My friend assured me the Rams were going to repeat because they went after guys in FA unlike that douche Gutes. Now he claims they are just unlucky, but Gutes still sucks.

The truth usually is right where the final record says it is. And the second truth is that parity in the NFL has removed "dominant" teams. The Owl is won either by Tom Brady, who is a cheating prick, or the team that gets hot at the right time. Often times that is also the best all around team....except when you believe the best all around team got "unlucky"

It was less about fitting a narrative than it seems like the Vikings have won a handful of close games in ways that are not sustainable or predictable. Close games tend to be coin flips, and good for them for winning them. Over time there is a regression to the mean, so perhaps this is them making up for some previous or future close losses. It doesn't hurt Minnesota that the NFC is generally garbage this year -- the Packer teams of the previous two seasons would have burned thru this conference. All that said, they have the NFCN locked up and probably are the #2 seed, so good for them. I'm not convinced they are better than PHI, DAL, or SF, and might not even be better than SEA despite the Parcellsism that you are what your record says you are.

Anyone who thinks their team is going to the SB because they won the free agency bowl should go back and look at how that's worked for teams in the last 20 years. Dan Snyder and Albert Haynesworth, yikes. The Rams went full "stars and scrubs" model with roster construction, and when some of those stars got hurt it cost them. Worse yet, since they have traded away a number of draft picks to acquire those stars, they don't have enough young talent to keep them afloat when injuries hit.

[run pMc]

Adams - 123 tgts, 71 rec, 999 yards, 10 TDs

Watson - 34 tgt, 22 rec, 353 yds, 6 TDs
Doubs- 50 tgts, 31 rec, 314 yds, 3 TDs
Toure- 9 tgts, 4 rec, 75 yds, 1 TD

(Rookies combined: 93 tgts, 57 rec, 742 yds, 10 TDs, 1 rushing TD)

Davante has 55 targets in last 4 games, that's a lot of throws. He's been on fire in November though -- 33 catches for 487 yds and 5 TDs.

For GB, you have to like what Watson has shown lately. When healthy, Watson and Doubs look like good players, and at a minimum Toure is a useful depth piece who (last I checked) has passed up Watkins on the depth chart.

[run pMc]

Final tally for 2022. I predicted Watson + Doubs < Adams. I predict next year Watson + Doubs > Adams (APRH).

Adams: 180 tgts, 100 rec, 1516 yds, 14 TDs. 180 targets is mind boggling. Made the Pro Bowl.

Watson: 66 tgts, 41 rec, 611 yds, 7 TDs. Also had 7 rushes for 80 yds and 2TDs. Averaged less yds/rec than Adams, believe it or not.
Doubs: 67 tgts, 42 rec, 425 yds, 3 TDs. Wasn't the same after his ankle injury.
Toure: 10 tgts, 5 rec, 82 yds, 1 TD

They're no longer rookies, and will have a full offseason to hopefully make a big Year 2 leap.

[RashanGary]

Yeah. The Davante vs the second year players thread will be a little more fun for us next year.

[RashanGary]

Davante just turned 30. He’s shown no signs of drop off. It’ll be interesting to watch his career finish up. 3 more averaging 1,200 and another 3 more averaging 700 would put him close to 15k career yards, in the top 5 all time, and a likely shot at the HOF. He could push for top 5 on touchdowns too. He’s already top 15 all time in touchdowns.

Davante might be a HOFer.