Off-season 2023 Banjo

[MadtownPacker]

It's all but guaranteed that if they let Love go, he'll make the probowl.

Maybe also eliminate the Packers from playoff contention….

[Fritz]

I'm with Sharpe. I'm guessing the Packers are going to roll with Rodgers and trade Love.

And just watch. He's going to develop into a promising starting QB, and Rodgers is going to whine his way through another season, offering up excuses like he's getting them from Tex. Then Rodgers will retire, and the Packers will watch Love take the team he's traded to into the Promised Land.

So fuck all ya'all, as they say in Texas. Or at least the ya'alls that want to see them hang on to Rodgers and get rid of Love.

[texaspackerbacker]

The idiocy and dumbassery is in thinking that it's unlikely Rodgers will bounce back. It's also idiotic to think that the Packer brass have the same kind of stupidity manifested by some fools in here.

The question mark would be how Love would play if he got the chance. I'd say the range on that would be from a little below average to a little above average for NFL QBs, which probably is where Rodgers was this past season with the injuries to him and the receivers etc. I say again, it's typically stupid for ya'all haters to expect that to continue.

[run pMc]

it comes from people just dividing the money by the years of the contract, ignoring how the cap actually works

you are right that he actually is counting just the 28 million against the cap this year, and not 50 million being thrown around

next season he would count 31 million, which is also less then 50

i brought this up a couple months ago in the big rodgers thread

The $31M is correct. HOWEVER, if he comes back there's a $59M guaranteed bonus payable between now and the start of training camp. I've heard that if they trade Rodgers this year before the $59M payout, his cap hit is closer to $40M. Cutting him would guarantee the payout, so that's not an option.
The thing is, if he comes back, plays one more year, then the cap hit is closer to 50M+, but it's because he's been paid the $59M bonus. The timing of that is critical, as is the circumstances of his final season with GB.

With how he played this season (arguably his worst as the starter) you have to wonder what the upside is to keeping him and whether they are a legit SB contender. Based on how he played, I'd say the window has closed and he's not worth the money. They could miss the playoffs with or without Rodgers, question is do to want to save themselves a lot of money and start Jordan Love.

[run pMc]

The idiocy and dumbassery is in thinking that it's unlikely Rodgers will bounce back. It's also idiotic to think that the Packer brass have the same kind of stupidity manifested by some fools in here.

The question mark would be how Love would play if he got the chance. I'd say the range on that would be from a little below average to a little above average for NFL QBs, which probably is where Rodgers was this past season with the injuries to him and the receivers etc. I say again, it's typically stupid for ya'all haters to expect that to continue.

On what basis do you think he will bounce back? He dropped off about 20% from his historical performance this year. As a 40 year old QB, what makes you think he's going to get that 20% back? Not being a hater; I legitimately want you to make a coherent case for keeping Rodgers.
(Saying "it's better than indefinite mediocrity" is not a case, nor can you actually prove that -- Jordan Love could possibly be a good QB. )

[RashanGary]

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

[call_me_ishmael]

Kinda wish MILF would make a call to Todd Balls. He’s a great coordinator but a bad head coach. I suspect he will be looking for a job so maybe GB is a good fit.

[call_me_ishmael]

Dallas vs SF is going to be a great game. I kinda think the winner of it wins the NFC. I am rooting for MM.

[texaspackerbacker]

runpMc, I don't consider you part of the group of dumbasses and haters I refer to.

Since you asked: Virtually all of the years he has been a starter for the Packers up until this past season is the reason. 20% dropoff? I woulda thought it was even worse than that. Given the thumb injury as well as injuries to Watson, Doubs, and Lazard as well as inexperience of the rookies, a 20% drop off is not much of a surprise. The best thing about Rodgers' game, not throwing interceptions, was mostly still there. His mobility seemed to be about as good as ever. Yeah, he's 40. So what. Brady, as immobile as he has always been, played good past 40. Why would anybody think Rodgers couldn't do at least as good? With hopefully a full year of improved performance by the rookies as well as possibly improved play by Tonyan a year plus out from his injury as well as IMO a good chance Lazard stays as well as maybe drafting somebody, there's a lot of reason he will have better targets. So why the hell not?

Is that enough for you? I assume it is not for some of these pathetic haters.

After reading RG's post, I'll include probably better O Line play as a reason also. RG, the only quarrel I would have with your post is the idea that it's a majority of people in here posting that idiotic crap - more like 5 or 6 or 7 Rodgers hating dumbasses.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Rodgers plays significantly better next year. I also think he could play as bad or worse. My gut feeling is he would have a better regular season and lose in the playoffs again in the wild card or divisional round.

[MadScientist]

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

It's not a pipe dream that Rodgers is better and the supporting cast is better. It's a bit of a stretch for all the players listed to improve and be healthy. It is probably a pipe dream to think that Rodgers will put up the numbers he did in 2020 and 2021. So where does that leave the Packers? Playoffs and a 1 and done.

The Packers are stuck with Rodgers so we'll have to hope for the best. I'm just not expecting it to be that great.

[sharpe1027]

The idiocy and dumbassery is in thinking that it's unlikely Rodgers will bounce back. It's also idiotic to think that the Packer brass have the same kind of stupidity manifested by some fools in here.

The question mark would be how Love would play if he got the chance. I'd say the range on that would be from a little below average to a little above average for NFL QBs, which probably is where Rodgers was this past season with the injuries to him and the receivers etc. I say again, it's typically stupid for ya'all haters to expect that to continue.

It's not idiocy. Before this season started we both know you would have called someone an idiot if they expressed concern that Rodgers would have a poor year and play like an average QB. He did.

Everyone knows he has the chance to bounce back. Everyone but you also realizes there are legit reasons to be concerned. Your position is so extreme that your valid points lose credibility.

[RashanGary]

It's not a pipe dream that Rodgers is better and the supporting cast is better. It's a bit of a stretch for all the players listed to improve and be healthy. It is probably a pipe dream to think that Rodgers will put up the numbers he did in 2020 and 2021. So where does that leave the Packers? Playoffs and a 1 and done.

The Packers are stuck with Rodgers so we'll have to hope for the best. I'm just not expecting it to be that great.

Starting the season, the best odds any team has at a SB is 1 in 4. So literally no team in the league is ever expected to win the SB. Saying we’re unlikely to win the Super Bowl is just stating the obvious.

The Packers need a really special offseason of growth from young players. It’s possible to win one with 12. And the situation isn’t that dire.

[SudsMcBucky]

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

Above all those things, I think the thing that hurt him the MOST this year was his thumb injury. He will/should be fully healed from that to start next season.

[Tony Oday]

AR will be the MVP next year.