Off-season 2023 Banjo

[call_me_ishmael]

AR will be the MVP next year.

If he's on a different team

[Fritz]

Kinda wish MILF would make a call to Todd Balls. He’s a great coordinator but a bad head coach. I suspect he will be looking for a job so maybe GB is a good fit.

Lots of posters here think LeFleur needs Balls.

[Deputy Nutz]

MLF and Gute need to simply approach Rodgers like McCarthy and Thompson approached Favre, "We aren't going to make any special circumstances for you anymore in Green Bay, we would like to have you back in Green Bay, but our roster is in the hands of the front office and we like always will do our best to put together a championship roster."

For a guy that states that he is all about relationships, Rodgers should know that when you take up 1/4 of the salary cap certain buddies of yours won't be able to stick around anymore because they make too much money and the Packers can't afford to pay Rodger's buddies that are free agents. Do you want Aaron Jones on the roster, or Randall Cobb and Mercedes Lewis? Do you want David Baktari on the roster, or would you rather the team resign Rashan Gary? For as intelligent as everyone claims Rodgers is, he sure acts completely ignorant how the NFL actually works. Maybe if he didn't fuck up the cap situation by demanding his 2023 year on his old contract be voided so he could sign a new 200 million dollar deal just so his ego could be appeased the Packers would have negotiated earlier with Devante Adams and wouldn't have insulted him.

The guy is an asshole and every interview he does you can just see it drip out of the fake mask he wears as a compassionate teammate and relationship builder in the locker room. The Packers are completely held hostage by his contract. There is no realistic way the Packers can make any moves with the numbers on the books whether he stays, retires, or gets traded. He has handcuffed the franchise with his embarrassing over blown ego.

Refuse to sign Cobb, restructure or cut Baktari, send Lewis into retirement and make it clear to Rodgers who is in charge, and that his play simply doesn't dictate who stays, comes, or goes anymore, because his play ain't that great anymore.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Funny how a burger flipper is smarter than y’all professionals on here. I am talking about y’all professors, business executives and even our resident CPA.

Bluntly put, the cap is irrelevant, as it can always be cooked. The cap serves no other purpose but to cut labor expenses for the pig owners. The Packers ain’t feeding a pig, as they ain’t got one since that Irish drunk sold the team for sixpence. They have, what, $800M sitting in a bank earning interests faster than the speed of fuck. Bezo’s making it rain.

Cash flow, not the cap, is the thing. And the Packers ain’t lacking cashing flow. Cook the fucking cap and buy a fucking Super Bowl, for fuck’s sake! The fucking Sheep-fuckers (Rams) did it!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Let’s put all the cap misunderstandings to rest: no team in a cap hell (thanks to its diva QB, right?) would be able to pay the Fucking Center, a milksop at tackle, $68M to play to play LG.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Btw, good to smell you again, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing American Underdog to your players?

[Deputy Nutz]

Btw, good to smell you again, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing American Underdog to your players?

No, and No.

Cap hell is a bit of a stretch, but the reality is as teams have given away more and more guaranteed money the cap has limited wiggle room. The reason Rodgers deal is so heavy on the cap is because he has never shown that he is willing to restructure. It would be nice if he was going to retire that he would restructure and the Packers could push some of the cap hit through multiple years. The Best option since the Packers are paying for Rodgers in 2023 and 2024 is to have him play, but corners will be cut in the next couple of years until his contract is off the books.

[texaspackerbacker]

Plus One to all three of yours, APB.

About the only thing those posters you mentioned are right about is that the Packers are "stuck with" Rodgers for a couple of years. What they're stupidly wrong about is thinking that is a bad thing. BTW, APB, did you notice, you're pretty much in agreement with TonyOday? Hell yeah, there's a good chance Rodgers will again be MVP next year. I tned to think comeback player of the year is more likely, though. He may not get the stats he had back when those same dumbasses were calling him a stat whore.

The scenario I would expect is that he plays those two years, and after next year hhe gets extended with void years or whatever, thus cooking the cap and making it entirely possible he plays a couple more beyond that - as well as smoothng things out so the team is not too bad off when he finally does hang it up.

[ThunderDan]

Hell yeah, there's a good chance Rodgers will again be MVP next year.

TPB, what do you think the odds are of Rodgers winning the MVP in 2023 if you feel there is a good chance?

[call_me_ishmael]

The elephant in the room WRT to the cap is the Packers don't have good young players coming up to make the expensive old guys expendable. Nobody would care about trading Bak or something if they had another up-and-coming tackle coming. Their difference makers are all on their second contract and the 2020 and 2021 drafts look like ass and are killing the team. 2018, 2019 look pretty good.

[run pMc]

Thanks for the responses.
I agree it's possible Rodgers has a bounce back year. Not everything was his fault.

I will say the offensive line was NOT "awful" - they finished 3rd in PFF's rankings. They started the year rough but got better each week. That they thought Hanson/Newman was a good pairing on the right OL makes me wonder about the coaching/self-scouting of the team. Overall Rodgers pressured rate % was down and the Jones/Dillon gained 1800-ish yards rushing.

Bakh won't get much better, he's about as good as he's going to be going forward. If the knee isn't an issue anymore he can be good player. Jenkins might get a little better with more time from the knee injury. I think that side of the line is pretty good but you're not likely to see much improvement there.

I'm not sure how much better Myers, Runyan or Njiman get.

It's possible the rookies (Tom, Watson, Doubs, etc.) make a leap. I certainly hope they do. It's just as possible they have a Sophomore Slump.

They're bringing Joe Barry back; how much better can they be with him at DC? Walker should be better, Wyatt too. Stokes and Gary will be coming back from bad injuries and probably won't play until mid-season. They were atrocious vs. the run. Counting on internal improvement from the rookies is a real thing, but it's not the only thing.

They will start the year over the cap and will have to redo some contracts or cut players. They probably will get a new K who might not be as clutch. They might not be able to afford Nixon who helped their ST look good. A number of starters are UFAs and either won't or shouldn't be back. (Lewis, Lazard, Tonyan, Cobb, Crosby, Amos, Lowry, Reed) You might get addition by subtraction there.

Finally we get to Rodgers, who had his most interceptions since 2008. His accuracy has declined, his mobility has declined, and his Y/C, Y/A, and ANY/A were also the lowest of his career as a starter. He crossed the 250 passing yards threshold 3 times this season, and hasn't passed for 300 since Week 10 of the previous season. He had 5 games this season -- including 3 of the final 6 -- where he didn't crack 200 yards passing. This is not a QB with performance trending up. I cannot stress that enough.
You could argue the decline started last season...he started to look iffy leading up to and especially in that SF playoff game. he's 40 - maybe he hates getting hit, maybe it's the cold.
He's been a great QB but he isn't one anymore. You're paying him to lift the team, I don't think he can do that either. He will need to be surrounded by playmakers who will have to do the heavy lifting. Hard to do that when you don't have cap space.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think:
he comes back to GB & they pay his $59M
he leads them to 10-7 and a WC playoff exit before deciding he's had enough, disappearing into the jungle and leaving a cap mess behind.
They never find out what they have in Jordan Love and lose him in FA and
GB starts all over from scratch in 2024.

[Joemailman]

I hope I'm wrong, but I think:
he comes back to GB & they pay his $59M
he leads them to 10-7 and a WC playoff exit before deciding he's had enough, disappearing into the jungle and leaving a cap mess behind.
They never find out what they have in Jordan Love and lose him in FA and
GB starts all over from scratch in 2024.

They won't lose Love in FA. They'll pick up his 5th year option next May and either keep him or give in to his trade demands before the draft and pick up a draft pick or 2. So they might hit 2024 without both Love and Rodgers. If Gute allows that to happen it will be...

[texaspackerbacker]

TPB, what do you think the odds are of Rodgers winning the MVP in 2023 if you feel there is a good chance?

Certainly not impossible. After all, there are something over 1,700 players in the league hahahaha. I would almost bet money that he would win Comeback Player of the Year. Like I said in the earlier post, his stats won't be as high as a few years ago, though, because the team will probably rely more on the running game. I always try to answer a question, so odds: somewhere between 10:1 and 20:1, which would be better than all but a handfull of QBs in the league.

[texaspackerbacker]

runpMc, fairly good comprehensive summary although I disagree with a lot of your conclusions.

Joe, I agree also with what you say about picking up Love's option and then either keeping or trading him.

[Deputy Nutz]

Certainly not impossible. After all, there are something over 1,700 players in the league hahahaha. I would almost bet money that he would win Comeback Player of the Year. Like I said in the earlier post, his stats won't be as high as a few years ago, though, because the team will probably rely more on the running game. I always try to answer a question, so odds: somewhere between 10:1 and 20:1, which would be better than all but a handfull of QBs in the league.

For Rodgers to improve on a down year by his standards, and to regain the form it would take to win an MVP or even comeback player of the year he would have to put in 100% effort in the off-season. He has to improve his body, his speed, and his footwork. His arm strength has diminished because his legs are not what they once were. His arm strength isn't there because he can't put enough sauce on the ball when his feet aren't under him. I think if Rodgers re-dedicates himself like he did in 2020 off season he just might get back to the MVP level. Like I said in the previous post, he ain't no Tom Brady in the off season.

Also, he never said in an interview that he could once again lead this team to a Super Bowl, he said he could see himself winning another MVP in the right situation. Rodgers is and always has been a player that looks out for #1.