Off-season 2023 Banjo

[Deputy Nutz]

runpMc, fairly good comprehensive summary although I disagree with a lot of your conclusions.

Joe, I agree also with what you say about picking up Love's option and then either keeping or trading him.

It really doesn't matter Tex, as soon as Rodgers is gone, you will either cheer the trade and become a fanboy of the next GB QB, or if Rodgers retires you will cherish the memories and become a fanboy of the next GB QB. I don't know why you hold on so tight.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

It really doesn't matter Tex, as soon as Rodgers is gone, you will either cheer the trade and become a fanboy of the next GB QB, or if Rodgers retires you will cherish the memories and become a fanboy of the next GB QB. I don't know why you hold on so tight.

Tex has always been delusional.

Green Bay has to start over and no time like the present..

[bobblehead]

The offensive line was awful and the rookies were finding their way. With better OL play and development from Watson and Doubs, Rodgers could be much more productive.

Tom is likely to improve, and there’s a chance he’s really good.
Bakh has a chance to be healthy all year and be much better
Meyers, Runyan and Jenkins could all be better with health and continuity.
And Doubs and Watson could easily be much better.

It’s not a pipe dream that Rodgers plays much better next year with a better supporting cast. And it’s not a pipe dream that the supporting cast could be better. Nor is it a pipe dream that Rodgers could be healthier.

Tex isn’t too off base, despite the emotional swings of the majority of fans making it seem that way.

I agree with everything you said, but still think trading Rodgers is the best move for the franchise. Its just time. Love is ready. Rodgers has 2 seasons left at best based on his body language. He isn't all in to win in the NFL anymore. He is thinking about life after football. You can't be in a marriage and be thinking about how great it will be when you get divorced once the kids leave for college.

We should trade Rodgers and watch him have 2 good years, just like we did Favre. Love might not be the man, or he might be, but the time to find out is right now. Honestly, when Rodgers decided to NOT run for the endzone against TB I realized it was likely all over. You can win an MVP. You can put up nice numbers. But unless you have that fire in your belly, you ain't winning an OWL.

[Joemailman]

This is likely right.

[bobblehead]

The elephant in the room WRT to the cap is the Packers don't have good young players coming up to make the expensive old guys expendable. Nobody would care about trading Bak or something if they had another up-and-coming tackle coming. Their difference makers are all on their second contract and the 2020 and 2021 drafts look like ass and are killing the team. 2018, 2019 look pretty good.

Disagree. They have 2 WR who will be on rookie deals for awhile yet. They drafted an OLB who will be on a rookie deal for a bit and he looked pretty good. Tom, Meyers are both on rookie deals. Quay and Wyatt are on rookie deals. Stokes is on a rookie deal. We are also carrying a mountain of dead money. We also are set to pay a RB a mountain of money. We look like any team who has an old vet QB on his 3rd or 4th deal and the numbers are coming home.

Expendable old guys? I'm not aware of any team so talented that the can just cut good players for fun.

[Fritz]

For Rodgers to improve on a down year by his standards, and to regain the form it would take to win an MVP or even comeback player of the year he would have to put in 100% effort in the off-season. He has to improve his body, his speed, and his footwork. His arm strength has diminished because his legs are not what they once were. His arm strength isn't there because he can't put enough sauce on the ball when his feet aren't under him. I think if Rodgers re-dedicates himself like he did in 2020 off season he just might get back to the MVP level. Like I said in the previous post, he ain't no Tom Brady in the off season.

Also, he never said in an interview that he could once again lead this team to a Super Bowl, he said he could see himself winning another MVP in the right situation. Rodgers is and always has been a player that looks out for #12.

There you go, Nutzy.

Agree with you, and agree with Bobble. Let's see Gutes trade him after June 1, get what he can, and try the Love train. If he shows enough to be the guy, then good. If not, you start over. Rodgers can go somewhere else and be all pissed off and bust his ass and have another good year (which I don't think he will, but okay), then keep his new team dangling while he muses over whether to come back for another year.

[bobblehead]

There you go, Nutzy.

Agree with you, and agree with Bobble. Let's see Gutes trade him after June 1, get what he can, and try the Love train. If he shows enough to be the guy, then good. If not, you start over. Rodgers can go somewhere else and be all pissed off and bust his ass and have another good year (which I don't think he will, but okay), then keep his new team dangling while he muses over whether to come back for another year.

IT would be reminiscent of Favre leaving and doing all the things the Packer brass begged him to do that he refused. Worked out all offseason. Stopped throwing late over the middle. Took the underneath stuff when it was there. Brents best "post MVP" years came after we traded him and he decided to "show us". What he showed is that the brass had been right all along.

[George Cumby]

Lots of posters here think LeFleur licks Balls.

FTFY

[King Friday]

The fact that Rodgers is more worried about returning to MVP form than winning a Super Bowl tells me all I need to know. Dump the diva now. He’s only out for himself.

[Joemailman]

The fact that Rodgers is more worried about returning to MVP form than winning a Super Bowl tells me all I need to know. Dump the diva now. He’s only out for himself.

To be fair, Rodgers did say in the interview that winning is important to him: “Because there’s no point in coming back if you don’t think you can win it all.”

[call_me_ishmael]

TPB, what do you think the odds are of Rodgers winning the MVP in 2023 if you feel there is a good chance?

90% if he is traded. Historic regular season followed laying an egg is divisional round or championship round.

[call_me_ishmael]

Disagree. They have 2 WR who will be on rookie deals for awhile yet. They drafted an OLB who will be on a rookie deal for a bit and he looked pretty good. Tom, Meyers are both on rookie deals. Quay and Wyatt are on rookie deals. Stokes is on a rookie deal. We are also carrying a mountain of dead money. We also are set to pay a RB a mountain of money. We look like any team who has an old vet QB on his 3rd or 4th deal and the numbers are coming home.

Expendable old guys? I'm not aware of any team so talented that the can just cut good players for fun.

The reality is all of their stars are on expensive contracts. 2020 draft sucks majorly. They have literally no one other than RJR and Dillon and they’re just a guy. 2021 is Kosh Myers, who is not a top 15 center, and Stokes, who looks like he could be good but looked below average this year.

If they had two pro bowlers or close out of those ~15 picks, they’d be in really good shape right now.

[Bretsky]

To be fair, Rodgers did say in the interview that winning is important to him: “Because there’s no point in coming back if you don’t think you can win it all.”

and then he randomly started blabbing about how he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, and can be MVP form "with the right people around him" and then he went on to pimp Mercedes Lewis, The Lizard, Tonyan, his BFF Randall Cobb, and Bach.

Dear Rodgers, SUAP

SHUT UP AND PLAY


P.S.

YOU SUCK AS A GM

[run pMc]

The fact that Rodgers is more worried about returning to MVP form than winning a Super Bowl tells me all I need to know. Dump the diva now. He’s only out for himself.

For context: I think the answer was in response to a question about his own performance, not the team itself. Something about critics saying he's washed.

I don't think he's washed, but in 1-2 more seasons he will be. Father Time being undefeated and all.
(and before someone throws out Brady as an example, ol' Tom is a unicorn. Plus, he stunk this year and last year showed signs of meh. The SB year he had a very very good OL, Godwin/Evans/Gronk/AB as receivers and an elite playmaking defense. He wasn't carrying that team, he had lots of help.)

[texaspackerbacker]

It really doesn't matter Tex, as soon as Rodgers is gone, you will either cheer the trade and become a fanboy of the next GB QB, or if Rodgers retires you will cherish the memories and become a fanboy of the next GB QB. I don't know why you hold on so tight.

The simple fact is, Rodgers is the GOAT QB, maybe GOAT NFL player. I had an extremely high opinion of Favre too, of course. All things considered, he was certainly close to be the greatest as of his time. I saw something in Rodgers, though, maybe before most people, that he was going to be even greater, and I was in agreement with the decision at the time to not let Rodgers go - even knowing it meant Favre wouldn't finish in Green Bay. As for whatever comes next, if he approaches GOAT level, that's wonderful, and damn straight I'd want to hang onto whoever it is. I'd put it at about 20/80 or less that Love is that good. As blessed as we Packer fans have been, though, who knows if Vince pulls some strings up there and gets us another on the Favre/Rodgers level or near it.

You said in your other post "if Rodgers does whatever in the offseason" and that "maybe he isn't up to Brady level in that". Where does that come from? First of all, considering the huge money everybody in the NFL makes, I doubt if virtually any do not do their offseason training at pretty much 100%. Secondly, I don't think there's a bit of evidence that Rodgers doesn't. Other than the effects of the thumb injury, was there any evidence of diminished arm strength? I'd say no. Diminished accuracy, sometimes, but that even more so was probably the thumb. His legs? He showed the mobility and ability to run on rare occasions just about as good as ever - way better than Brady ever did, Throwing problems because of his legs? He always has thrown a lot from nonstandard positions - almost as much as Favre. That ability shows the arm strength - putting the "sauce" on it even without his legs set under him.

As for improving, the worst thing this season to me was the interceptions - the greatest of all his great qualities over his career. What did he throw? 11 or something like that? Still better than most other top level QBs. I certainly dobn't think that was due to a change in his mindset not to throw picks. It was the injury as well as the inexperienced receivers for the most part. Thus, I expect that absolutely to return to MVP level next season.

A lot was made by the shitheads in here of the fact that he threw for less yardage - none or very few 300 yard games. Well, that was likely same idiots who whined that he was a "stat whore" in years where he threw for a lot more yardage. The main reason, of course for the lesser passing yards was dependence on the running game as well as the inexperienced receivers. That should improve some next season, but I still don't expect it to get to the level of his MVP years.

The bottom line in terms of MVP or Comeback Player or whatever is the record of the team. If we get to 13-4 or 14-3 again, very possible IMO, then hell yeah. If we win or at least get to the Super Bowl, there's a strong chance he gets MVP, as the team sure won't get that far if he isn't playing at a high level.

As for cheering for a trade - like the dumbasses in here are craving? First of all, hell no - not unless it is 4 or 5 years from now and the next Rodgers level QB is waiting in the wings. and second of all, it just ain't gonna happen in the short term. One thing even the dumbasses wanting a trade I think would agree, his contract - for better or worse, I say BETTER - effectively prevents a trade. Some people in here whine about Rodgers demanding huge money and holding the team hostage or whatever. What he got - and what IMO was his motivation - was a contract that effectively kept him in Green Bay/prevented a trade. And clearly - to me at least - that's what Gutekunst and LaFleur wanted too - paying him so much that staying is way more attractive than retiring. The shitheads think that is a bad thing. I don't, and I think it's safe to say Gutekunst and LaFleur don't think it's a bad thing either.