Off-season 2023 Banjo

[bobblehead]

For a couple years we literally rolled out Baktiari, Sitton, (Tretter/Lindsley), Lang and Bulaga. A pro bowl caliber player at every single position.

To quote OBNDY.....Thats not true.

[call_me_ishmael]

To quote OBNDY.....Thats not true.

What's not true about it?

[Bretsky]

I would argue, as I have for many years, that Rodgers never had an O Line that did a good job protecting. He was hurried and/or forced out of the pocket virtually every pass play his whole career. Granted he was a tad bit less mobile this past season, but not much. As for being old in a young man's league, it's NOT a young QB league. Anything Brady could do at 44, certainly Rodgers could do at 40, and probably at 41-44 too.

As for the "self-absorbed shitbag" stuff, I would say that's about 98% the creation of media pukes. There is literally no evidence of any of that toward Packer players, coaches, even fans.

Tex,

Would you have any evidence to support your OL has always sucked theory, such as Pro Football Ratings on OL's with AROD...etc......or is this just an argument w/o any merit and your hunch

Regarding AROD being a shit bad, he's the media whore that brought this on to himself. Just listen to all his attention media whore weekly shows. One can argue he's the goat, or the in season MVP. Or top 10..etc...lots of debate.

Not many debate whether or not he's a shitbag IMO

[texaspackerbacker]

Nope. Just what I've seen for well over a decade.

Regarding Rodgers, undoubtedly the McAfee thing began as a result of all the stupid shit posted about him by media pukes. I really don't give a shit if he's a "shitbag" or not as long as he is the primary thing making my favorite team a winner. I think, though, most of that image or whatever you'd call it comes from knownothing shitheads of the media.

[run pMc]

GB resigning Dallin Leavitt. Rich Bisaccia is the GB GM.

Leavitt's fine on ST but how many ST safeties are they going to sign? None of them can play safety full time. Rudy Ford has his moments, but he got exposed at times and was replaced by Savage (who Ford replaced).
What's John Johnson III doing? He was recently released by CLE and had a couple of good years with LAR in this scheme.

[Arctic Fox]

Tight End or WR in the first round?

[Joemailman]

Tight End or WR in the first round?

This is the Packers we're talking about here. But you never know.

[Arctic Fox]

Love needs some playmakers he can "grow up" with. The Pack will have to break with tradition I think.

[run pMc]

I think they go OT, DL or EDGE in R1, unless they are absolutely in love with JSN. I think they look at a receiver in Day 2, and then take a couple on Day 3. (i.e., 3 total from WR/TE groups)
Maybe Gute proves everyone wrong and trolls Rodgers by drafting a WR in R1 the year he's traded. Doubt it though.

Agree he needs playmakers. Early in the Rodgers era TT loaded up on skill players every year: Greg Jennings, Jordy, James Jones, Jermichael, then Cobb and Adams later... I think they are going to have to do that to build up depth and talent again.
They have a few playmakers (Watson, Aaron Jones) but they need much more than that.

[Fritz]

GB resigning Dallin Leavitt. Rich Bisaccia is the GB GM.

Leavitt's fine on ST but how many ST safeties are they going to sign? None of them can play safety full time. Rudy Ford has his moments, but he got exposed at times and was replaced by Savage (who Ford replaced).
What's John Johnson III doing? He was recently released by CLE and had a couple of good years with LAR in this scheme.

I am so sick of that Bisaccia/Rodgers. I mean, he's the ST coach/quarterback, not the GM, and he just thinks he can tell Guter who to re-sign and probably who to draft!

[QBME]

Love needs some playmakers he can "grow up" with. The Pack will have to break with tradition I think.

Love is surrounded with young playmakers; Jones, Dillon, Watson, Doubs, Toure. Tight End still a question mark.
So, IMHO offensive line is paramount. Then middle defense. Then very importantly late rounders, UDFA’s who realize their future depends on delivering one or two crucial special team plays per game.

[run pMc]

Love is surrounded with young playmakers; Jones, Dillon, Watson, Doubs, Toure. Tight End still a question mark.
So, IMHO offensive line is paramount. Then middle defense. Then very importantly late rounders, UDFA’s who realize their future depends on delivering one or two crucial special team plays per game.

Not sure I'd put Toure or Dillon in the playmaker category. Toure could make a jump but he barely played. Dillon is a FA after this season and is a good backup who seems to need volume.
Doubs is on the fence, could become a playmaker if he can make a Year 2 jump, but if he doesn't and Watson misses 4 games with a hammy or ankle then you're a bit stuck. I think they will absolutely draft at least one receiver (either WR/TE) and perhaps even two before the end of Day 2. Rookie TEs are rarely playmakers...aside from Kyle Pitts (drafted 4th overall and basically used as a big WR) I can't think of one who even approached being a playmaker right out of the gate. Even if they can't find playmakers, finding competent players will help.

I think they will probably be ok at OL this year (APRH) but 2024 it's murky because I think Bahktiari's cap hit will force him out and Njiman likely signs elsewhere. i.e., they likely have two new starting OT in 2024.
They have a lot of OL under contract, this offseason and preseason will tell us a lot about who is worth keeping and who isn't. I'm especially curious about Rhyan, R.Walker, and Caleb Jones. If any of them look good then they have easier time of things. For now, they have Bahktiari, Jenkins, Myers, RunyanJr., Njiman with Tom and Newman as your backups. That's a decent OL.

[Fritz]

Not sure I'd put Toure or Dillon in the playmaker category. Toure could make a jump but he barely played. Dillon is a FA after this season and is a good backup who seems to need volume.
Doubs is on the fence, could become a playmaker if he can make a Year 2 jump, but if he doesn't and Watson misses 4 games with a hammy or ankle then you're a bit stuck. I think they will absolutely draft at least one receiver (either WR/TE) and perhaps even two before the end of Day 2. Rookie TEs are rarely playmakers...aside from Kyle Pitts (drafted 4th overall and basically used as a big WR) I can't think of one who even approached being a playmaker right out of the gate. Even if they can't find playmakers, finding competent players will help.

I think they will probably be ok at OL this year (APRH) but 2024 it's murky because I think Bahktiari's cap hit will force him out and Njiman likely signs elsewhere. i.e., they likely have two new starting OT in 2024.
They have a lot of OL under contract, this offseason and preseason will tell us a lot about who is worth keeping and who isn't. I'm especially curious about Rhyan, R.Walker, and Caleb Jones. If any of them look good then they have easier time of things. For now, they have Bahktiari, Jenkins, Myers, RunyanJr., Njiman with Tom and Newman as your backups. That's a decent OL.

Royce Newman was pretty terrible. I hope that they can find someone better. That dude doesn't even seem like a serviceable backup to me.

I'm wondering if they'll draft an offensive tackle in the mid- to late rounds, one of those developmental guys who can sit and learn and lift weights this year, then start after Bakh/Nijman are gone.

[run pMc]

Royce Newman was pretty terrible. I hope that they can find someone better. That dude doesn't even seem like a serviceable backup to me.

I'm wondering if they'll draft an offensive tackle in the mid- to late rounds, one of those developmental guys who can sit and learn and lift weights this year, then start after Bakh/Nijman are gone.

I expect they will, unless they think someone on the roster already can take over.
Newman was not good at RT, but he was a serviceable backup at RG. He needed to get stronger last offseason and didn't. Also needs to get better recognizing stunts and really didn't.

I don't think he was a bad pick - getting a full year of starts from an R4 rookie in 2021 was pretty good value. Playing RT next to Hanson in early 2022 wrecked his confidence, and not making that Year 2 leap hurt him.
He could still pan out but I suspect he's a career backup type who will always be competing for a spot.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm kind of interested to see what Bo Melton can do. I liked him in the draft last year. I had him in my top 20 WRs, but he went in the 7th round to Seattle as the 26th WR taken. He had a really good preseason with Seattle, but they put him on the practice squad all year--until the Packers signed him. I think he can be used in the jet motion role that Tyler Ervin was in a couple of years ago. Watson was in that role in 2022, but they'll likely want to put him outside more. Melton is 5'11" 189 and ran a 4.34 40 with a 4.10 shuttle, 6.98 3 cone, 38" vert, 121" broad, and 18 bench reps at the combine last year for a 9.23 RAS.