Off-season 2023 Banjo

[run pMc]

I don't think the 13th pick is in play at all, unless it's a pick swap. It's possible a trade doesn't happen before Day 2 of the draft, but I doubt it.
Too much pressure on the GMs not to do a deal. Woody Johnson and the Jets fans will be howling for a deal to be done by then, and I'm sure Murphy and many GB fans will as well.
I guess we'll see. At this point the whole Rodgers-watch thing bores me. I'm not an insider and until something happens it's just speculating at this stage.


Different topic: Packers have Savage, Ford, Leavitt, Carpenter, Wiggins, and Gaines listed as safeties on the roster. I'm guessing Savage and Ford are the starters. With a weak safety class, how do fans feel about that? I think it's an issue and they will draft someone late day2/early day 3. (Current favorite is Jordan Battle, I think he's solid if unspectacular and could play the role vacated by Adrian Amos.)

Anyone know anything about Eric Stokes' injury status?
Their secondary is a mix of mismatched parts. Feels like it's a leftover from the Pettine era and doesn't fit what Barry wants.

[Fritz]

I don't think the 13th pick is in play at all, unless it's a pick swap. It's possible a trade doesn't happen before Day 2 of the draft, but I doubt it.
Too much pressure on the GMs not to do a deal. Woody Johnson and the Jets fans will be howling for a deal to be done by then, and I'm sure Murphy and many GB fans will as well.
I guess we'll see. At this point the whole Rodgers-watch thing bores me. I'm not an insider and until something happens it's just speculating at this stage.


Different topic: Packers have Savage, Ford, Leavitt, Carpenter, Wiggins, and Gaines listed as safeties on the roster. I'm guessing Savage and Ford are the starters. With a weak safety class, how do fans feel about that? I think it's an issue and they will draft someone late day2/early day 3. (Current favorite is Jordan Battle, I think he's solid if unspectacular and could play the role vacated by Adrian Amos.)

Anyone know anything about Eric Stokes' injury status?
Their secondary is a mix of mismatched parts. Feels like it's a leftover from the Pettine era and doesn't fit what Barry wants.

Agree with this assessment of the safety room and the draft class. I hope Guter doesn't reach and use that first rounder on a safety who doesn't merit a first-round pick, just so he can meet a need. From what Harv says, the top-rated guy is more of a slot guy anyway - just what the Packers don't need any more of. So my hope is they don't focus too heavily on the draft, maybe try to find a high upside/developmental guy somewhere NOT the first or maybe even second round that fits what Barry does (if Barry's going to be around).

As for Stokes, the idea is that the smoke signals so far suggest Stokesy won't be ready at the start of the season.

[run pMc]

I don't think there's a safety worth taking that fits GB before Round 3 -- none of the actual safeties who would play deep look stellar, nor did they athletically test as such.
Guys like Brian Branch, Antonio Johnson and Jammie Robinson all play up in the box or in the slot and aren't good fits in my opinion, although I think Branch is the best of that trio and might get taken in R1 by a team as a slot corner type. I think Chris Smith and Jordan Battle are the best of the GB scheme safeties. Brandon Joseph, and the Brown kid from PSU. Those guys tested poorly though, and Gute like his high end athletes.

I don't think I ever really heard what Stokes' injury was aside from a knee/ankle issue, which could be anything and that makes it a little ominous. He wasn't exactly Mr. Agility before. Maybe I still have Derek Sherrod PTSD. As it is, Jaire, Rasul, and Stokes are all outside corners and they can really only play two there, so if he's out for a while it's not the biggest loss, but it's a concern long-term. Maybe it doesn't matter anyway with Barry having his corners lining up 8 yards off the LOS.

[Fritz]

"Derrick Sherrod PTSD" - that is funny.

Felt bad for that guy. Not his fault, what happened to him. He had agility and potential, maybe a little dancing-bear-ish, but that's what some said about Chad Clifton.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think there's a safety worth taking that fits GB before Round 3 -- none of the actual safeties who would play deep look stellar, nor did they athletically test as such.
Guys like Brian Branch, Antonio Johnson and Jammie Robinson all play up in the box or in the slot and aren't good fits in my opinion, although I think Branch is the best of that trio and might get taken in R1 by a team as a slot corner type. I think Chris Smith and Jordan Battle are the best of the GB scheme safeties. Brandon Joseph, and the Brown kid from PSU. Those guys tested poorly though, and Gute like his high end athletes.

I don't think I ever really heard what Stokes' injury was aside from a knee/ankle issue, which could be anything and that makes it a little ominous. He wasn't exactly Mr. Agility before. Maybe I still have Derek Sherrod PTSD. As it is, Jaire, Rasul, and Stokes are all outside corners and they can really only play two there, so if he's out for a while it's not the biggest loss, but it's a concern long-term. Maybe it doesn't matter anyway with Barry having his corners lining up 8 yards off the LOS.

I haven't taken a hard look at safeties yet, but it seems like the two Illinois safeties on day 2, Daniel Scott late day 2, Brandon Hill, Chamarri Conner, and Jason Taylor on day 3 are what the Packers would be looking for in this draft class. I've seen a bit of Jordan Howden of Minnesota while scouting WRs, and he seems intriguing.

[run pMc]

I haven't taken a hard look at safeties yet, but it seems like the two Illinois safeties on day 2, Daniel Scott late day 2, Brandon Hill, Chamarri Conner, and Jason Taylor on day 3 are what the Packers would be looking for in this draft class. I've seen a bit of Jordan Howden of Minnesota while scouting WRs, and he seems intriguing.

It's not the best class. Last year's was much better. The ones who are getting the highest rating are more slot or in-the-box types, and not the best fits for what GB needs. GB also has a few of them already (Savage, Carpenter, etc.)
I haven't looked at Howden yet but he's a 5th year guy with a lot of snaps on D and ST and IIRC he was a defensive captain so he could easily be a Bisaccia guy. He's not highly rated as a defensive player, but is apparently a good athlete so I could see them spending a R7 pick or making him a priority UDFA.

[Fritz]

Whole new landscape now that Rodgers is halfway out the door.

[run pMc]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/4/13/23680911/aaron-rodgers-trade-update-new-york-jets-altered-trade-offer-green-bay-packers-pat-mcafee-show

Rodgers actions having consequences for him (and others)? IMAGINE THAT.

[Bretsky]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...at-mcafee-show

Rodgers actions having consequences for him (and others)? IMAGINE THAT.

tHAT f'CKING GD MEDIA WHORE KAREN RODGERS keep screwing us.

Screw the Jets; let them get Tannehilll and suck it up again.

Trade him to SF for an unconditional 1st rounder in 2024 and a couple thirds,and covert those 3rds into a 2nd rounder cause Gutebag has drafted nothing but shit on a shingle in R3

[Fritz]

I wonder if Mercedes Lewis will be re-signed if Green Bay drafts a tight end with the #15 pick - a mentor. But I guess that depends upon whether GB drafts a second tight end, as well.

[run pMc]

I wonder if Mercedes Lewis will be re-signed if Green Bay drafts a tight end with the #15 pick - a mentor. But I guess that depends upon whether GB drafts a second tight end, as well.

Do NOT want a TE at #15. If you're taking a TE in R1, for heaven's sake trade down a few times for extra picks. I'd take an EDGE or OT before a TE, and IMO you can actually find fine TEs in this year's draft on Day 2.
I could see them bringing Lewis back, but I have a feeling he's going where Rodgers goes. I'd rather have Lewis back than Cobb.

[Bretsky]

Do NOT want a TE at #15. If you're taking a TE in R1, for heaven's sake trade down a few times for extra picks. I'd take an EDGE or OT before a TE, and IMO you can actually find fine TEs in this year's draft on Day 2.
I could see them bringing Lewis back, but I have a feeling he's going where Rodgers goes. I'd rather have Lewis back than Cobb.

I would rather have a WR in Round one than a TE

I agree if going TE trade back..........although

I kinda think the top 4 TE's may go before our normal second round pick.

I'd like to see one of the top 4 in GB and then another in round 5-7 as well

[run pMc]

I would rather have a WR in Round one than a TE

I agree if going TE trade back..........although

I kinda think the top 4 TE's may go before our normal second round pick.

I'd like to see one of the top 4 in GB and then another in round 5-7 as well

Agree. I'll be interested to see how teams value the TEs based on where they are drafted
Positional value for TEs is kind of strange.
I'd like to see Gute move around the board if they're taking one early. I think there are some good ones that will last to Round 3 and it's possible to find them on Day 3.

[Fritz]

Who know? Maybe he'll be able to find someone to trade back only a few spaces - if the TE position hasn't had a run, he could conceivably get one of the top ones around 18- 22. Maybe pick up an extra fourth, draft a Vince Biegel? Hell, I don't know. I think drafting an EDGE or a defensive tackle or end, or an offensive tackle, would excite me most.

[run pMc]

I think there will be a run on OT & CB before TE. Kincaid, Mayer, and maybe Washington the likely suspects as you get into the mid-20's of Round 1 makes some sense to me. I honestly am not sure what the positional value of a TE is. A really good one is worth a lot, but there are so few of them (and you can occasionally find them later). Also, TEs don't often get more than 700 yards (last year SEVEN did). You might be able to get that out of JSN his first year.

Still, having one or two quality TEs would be fun in the MLF offense, and there are a few good inline Y-type TEs that Gute should look at.