Rasul Douglas Traded To Bills

[Joemailman]

Except we didn't even move up 2 rounds. We moved up about 40 picks. Or 1.25 rounds.

I think in Gute's mind he did move up 2 rounds. I think for Gute to make this move means he feels there is going to be real value in the 3rd round, which means a strong draft, and comp picks will give him plenty of Day 3 picks. That is likely right. Last year was considered by most a weak draft, so it's likely to be stronger this year.

[Fritz]

Stop being a sally Fritz; let's just say it together. Gutebag kinda sucks in the draft.

Here’s an article supporting your claim:

https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2023/11/03/brian-gutekunst-green-bay-packers-missteps/amp/

[bobblehead]

Bretsky mentions one other thing that has bugged me since preseason. The decision NOT to bring back Mercedes. For me it has nothing to do with his talent on the field at this point, but you brought in 2 rookie TEs (3 with sims later) and you don't want a pros pro showing them how its done? Douglas relentlessly studied film. Didn't bother with trash talk, just let his play talk. Was a willing tackler. Everything you want the young guys to emulate....thats who we traded.

I didn't like Gutes from the start, but couldn't argue with on field success. Now I'm starting to think he doesn't know shit about building a locker room. I won't slam the door on him just yet, but the best players on our teams were TT guys (for all you TT bashers). As the TT talent left Gutes spent a ton of money to stay competitive while the young talent didn't come through. As we lost them one by one, Bulaga, Linsley, Adams, Rodgers and soon Jones and Clark we are getting worse results. Gutes ran us against the realistic stretching of the cap to keep winning, but the cupboards were bare.

So here we are, restocking. It had to happen and it will define Gutes. I like a lot of the young talent. I think we have a shot next year to be much better. But without the Rasuls and Mercedes around to teach them, it could go a totally different way.

[Bretsky]

You kill me Bretsky. Good read tho man, especially this:

“ Gutebag is just embracing what I suggested we do much earlier....aka....EMBRACE THE TANK.”

I'm here to stir pots and for entertainment value ))

[Bretsky]

Bretsky mentions one other thing that has bugged me since preseason. The decision NOT to bring back Mercedes. For me it has nothing to do with his talent on the field at this point, but you brought in 2 rookie TEs (3 with sims later) and you don't want a pros pro showing them how its done? Douglas relentlessly studied film. Didn't bother with trash talk, just let his play talk. Was a willing tackler. Everything you want the young guys to emulate....thats who we traded.

I didn't like Gutes from the start, but couldn't argue with on field success. Now I'm starting to think he doesn't know shit about building a locker room. I won't slam the door on him just yet, but the best players on our teams were TT guys (for all you TT bashers). As the TT talent left Gutes spent a ton of money to stay competitive while the young talent didn't come through. As we lost them one by one, Bulaga, Linsley, Adams, Rodgers and soon Jones and Clark we are getting worse results. Gutes ran us against the realistic stretching of the cap to keep winning, but the cupboards were bare.

So here we are, restocking. It had to happen and it will define Gutes. I like a lot of the young talent. I think we have a shot next year to be much better. But without the Rasuls and Mercedes around to teach them, it could go a totally different way.

It's like Gutebag finds no value in leaders of this young team. I never though Marcedes was a great player, but he was a Great F'cking Blocker at TE and a leader on and off the field. In the last couple weeks we had all kinds of OL forgetting their assigments and whiffing. Our rushing offense is horrible for many reasons, but not having a TE with any interest in blocking is one of the big ones.

Does Gute thing our coaching staff is so strong he places no value at all in team leaders ? I sure don't. I wasn't a fan of Gute early, and the past couple years I've flipped back and forth. But lately, I'm thinking having a HOF QB like Aaron Rodgers covered up a lot of Gutebag's deficiencies. And as an effective communicator and leader, I think Gutebag has next to nothing. And I don't wanna go back here again, but the system Marcia Murphy set up, with the people he has it it, just sucks as well.

Trading Rasul, who could have several years left of good play, for what we got, to me was a desperation move that sends terrible messages inside that locker room.

I"m on the verge, of geting the keys, boarding, and starting to sell the tickets to ride the Bye Bye Gutebag Bus with me.

[Teamcheez1]

A 39 year old TE is not worth keeping. 2 catches for 24 yards on a team as bad as we are.
I liked Rasul, but IMO, he has maybe 1 or 2 good years left.
I would have tried to unload Jones and Smith this year too.

Getting rid of Gute is certainly worth discussion at the end of this year.

[Bretsky]

A 39 year old TE is not worth keeping. 2 catches for 24 yards on a team as bad as we are.
I liked Rasul, but IMO, he has maybe 1 or 2 good years left.
I would have tried to unload Jones and Smith this year too.

Getting rid of Gute is certainly worth discussion at the end of this year.

Rasul is just 29 and could have several good years left
You are missing the value of Lewis completely IMO
Odds are nobody wanted Preston or Jones or we've have two more 5th round draft picks

[Sparkey]

Rasul is just 29 and could have several good years left
You are missing the value of Lewis completely IMO
Odds are nobody wanted Preston or Jones or we've have two more 5th round draft picks

It wouldn't matter if a team was interested. The Packers didn't have the cap room available to trade Smith or Jones.

[ThunderDan]

It wouldn't matter if a team was interested. The Packers didn't have the cap room available to trade Smith or Jones.

Exactly, if we traded Jones we would have been $2,000,000 over the cap. 4 Mil over if we traded Smith.

[Bretsky]

Exactly, if we traded Jones we would have been $2,000,000 over the cap. 4 Mil over if we traded Smith.

Everybody was reporting we were trying to shop Preston and that's get Van Ness max opportunity
I'm sure there was a way; perhaps converting something to a signing bonus or something

[Joemailman]

Everybody was reporting we were trying to shop Preston and that's get Van Ness max opportunity
I'm sure there was a way; perhaps converting something to a signing bonus or something

Actually trading Smith would have cleared a little cap space this year. It would have created a bunch of dead cap next year.

[Patler]

General comments on remarks in this thread:

I hated to see Douglas go, but......

Moving from the 5th round to the 3rd round is more significant than has been implied. I think some of you are forgetting that there will be 10 or so compensatory draft picks awarded at the ends of the 3rd and 4th rounds. Even if the move is from #1 in round 5 to #32 in round 3, it will likely be more than 40 spots.

The added draft capital can be bundled with others in trades. Maybe from round 2 back into late round 1, both 3s to mid round 2, etc. They will now have a lot more flexibility to maneuver around in the draft.

I suspect the thinking was Douglas would be released next offseason anyway for cap management purposes. Any more wins he would aid in this year are meaningless. Might as well see if Valentine or Stokes when he returns can be the guy for 2024 and beyond. 2023 is a player evaluation year.

This was probably the right thing to dp, given the situation.

[Fritz]

General comments on remarks in this thread:

I hated to see Douglas go, but......

Moving from the 5th round to the 3rd round is more significant than has been implied. I think some of you are forgetting that there will be 10 or so compensatory draft picks awarded at the ends of the 3rd and 4th rounds. Even if the move is from #1 in round 5 to #32 in round 3, it will likely be more than 40 spots.

The added draft capital can be bundled with others in trades. Maybe from round 2 back into late round 1, both 3s to mid round 2, etc. They will now have a lot more flexibility to maneuver around in the draft.

I suspect the thinking was Douglas would be released next offseason anyway for cap management purposes. Any more wins he would aid in this year are meaningless. Might as well see if Valentine or Stokes when he returns can be the guy for 2024 and beyond. 2023 is a player evaluation year.

This was probably the right thing to dp, given the situation.

And how happy would any of us be if Guter did what his counterpart in Chicago just did?? They traded a second-round pick for a Rashan-Gary-like pass rusher and gave him a big extension. And the are 2 - 6. Was that a good move? I wonder what Packer fans think.

[Fosco33]

And how happy would any of us be if Guter did what his counterpart in Chicago just did?? They traded a second-round pick for a Rashan-Gary-like pass rusher and gave him a big extension. And the are 2 - 6. Was that a good move? I wonder what Packer fans think.

How’s their cap and free agency looking? We’ll be through now 65m of Cap and another 20m for Bacteria.

We need a vet WR, TE, LT and at least a decent backup QB. That’s like 30m needed alone.

We have like a dozen players entering FE and imagine we need another 20m for some of those folks (Nixon, Savage, Yosh).

[King Friday]

What the Bears did was dumb. Giving up draft capital AND paying top dollar means that Sweat better play like LT next season.