2024 3rd Round Pick #91 Overall Ty'Ron Hopper

[sharpe1027]

He flys all over the field resulting in making plays and missing tackles. He's bizarro AJ Hawk.

[Fritz]

That might be a good thing.

Gary Cooper and Dennis Hopper - our new linebacking generation.

[Scott Campbell]

That might be a good thing.

Gary Cooper and Dennis Hopper - our new linebacking generation.

I was going to say Cecil Cooper and Ty'Ron Hipster, but I like your nicknames better.

[run pMc]

The missed tackles rate likely explains things like his PFF rating. He's enough of an athlete with a 7.4 RAS to cover plenty of ground; I'm not worried about that. It's whether he can fix his tackling issues.
I assume it's a fundamentals thing and not a physical limitation, and you'd expect Florida and Missouri had coaches teach players this.

Basically he fixes his tackling, or he doesn't see the field much on defense. A 22% missed rate is unplayable.

[bobblehead]

What about Coopers 13%...is that okay?

[sharpe1027]

I suspect his successful tackle rate would immediately go up if he sat back and reacted. They seemed to want him to disrupt rather than error free safe football.

I suspect they Packers will expect the same and live with missed tackles.

[RashanGary]

It did cross my mind that really fast players can get themselves in more awkward situations because of their speed and miss tackles. Let’s not go assume Gute knows it all on defense. He’s strung together a few stinkers of drafts and now some great ones. But he doesn’t always know what he’s doing either.

It’s a red flag. Coopers is a little less of a red flag for me because he’s all world fast and I’m sure a bunch of those misses wouldn’t have even counted as attempts for most guys.

[sharpe1027]

He might be a bust, and I don't think he'll ever be a good tackler. He might also have enough speed and aggressiveness to make you for that weakness.

[Scott Campbell]

I suspect his successful tackle rate would immediately go up if he sat back and reacted. They seemed to want him to disrupt rather than error free safe football.

I suspect they Packers will expect the same and live with missed tackles.

I don't think they can live with 22.7%. The worst in the NFL last year was about 20%. I have no doubt they talked about it a lot during the draft prep, and think they can fix it. Otherwise you just would not take him that high.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you miss 20% or so of your tackles, you're getting the runner on the ground 80% or so of the time. That to me ain't too bad. And factor in that somebody is faster and maybe gets in position to make a tackle 20% or so more often than a slower guy, and those missed tackles don't seem so bad.

[Joemailman]

If you miss 20% or so of your tackles, you're getting the runner on the ground 80% or so of the time. That to me ain't too bad. And factor in that somebody is faster and maybe gets in position to make a tackle 20% or so more often than a slower guy, and those missed tackles don't seem so bad.

For a linebacker, that's horrible. Quay Walker and Campbell were both below 5%. The only Packer over 20% was Anthony Johnson Jr. and he only played when they were desperate due to injuries. Usually defensive linemen have the highest missed tackle pct. because they tend to be much less agile than the guys they're trying to tackle. LB's should be able to tackle consistently.

[MadScientist]

If you miss 20% or so of your tackles, you're getting the runner on the ground 80% or so of the time. That to me ain't too bad. And factor in that somebody is faster and maybe gets in position to make a tackle 20% or so more often than a slower guy, and those missed tackles don't seem so bad.

Looking at some of the tape, he has a tendency to tackle like a safety - lead with the shoulder or go for the feet. He was not for the most part wrapping up or delivering hits. His speed was good, but he was often slow at the start of the plays. Some of the slow start may have been play design. He needs more upper body and arm strength to have a chance of fighting through blocks and to be better at wrapping up on tackles.

[sharpe1027]

It's a bad stat for him period. Trying to understand why he was still drafted where he was, he had nearly twice as many solo tackles as assisted tackles. That suggests the scheme had him in a lot of one on one situations.

[run pMc]

For a linebacker, that's horrible. Quay Walker and Campbell were both below 5%. The only Packer over 20% was Anthony Johnson Jr. and he only played when they were desperate due to injuries. Usually defensive linemen have the highest missed tackle pct. because they tend to be much less agile than the guys they're trying to tackle. LB's should be able to tackle consistently.

Agree. 20% is bad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/grading-the-2023-packers-quay-walker-and-inside-linebackers

Does anyone here think Darnell Savage was a good tackler? He missed 18.6% of his tackles. Hopper missed more than that. It's... a serious problem he will have to correct or he won't be trusted on the field.

[bobblehead]

Ya know who had a missed tackle % under 5? Payton wilson. The man is a machine. Good thing we took hopper instead.