2024 3rd Round Pick #91 Overall Ty'Ron Hopper

[texaspackerbacker]

It's amazing - in a bad way - that anybody associated with the Lions would be "crowing" about this contract. If that isn't obvious now, it certainly will be as years go by.

[bobblehead]

Junior Colson, I meant. Unless he IS a great athlete. Then I meant Junior Colton.

Are you sure you weren't thinking of Junius Coston?

[Fritz]

Are you sure you weren't thinking of Junius Coston?

Could be. Depends on whether Junior Colson is a good NFL athlete.

[RashanGary]

Hopper has a 7.38 RAS acore at LB, meaning he ranks just under the 74th percentile athletically among linebackers historically. That's an above average overall athlete at the position, and well beyond the vast majority of people in general.

He's a little small size-wise, but that's how LBs are these days.
He has good enough speed and get get to the sideline just fine. His biggest issue is tackling.
Hopper fits what Hafley is going to want his LBs to do -- all of the defensive picks this year were aggressive, downhill attaching types who have good character and love football. I think Hafley is going to ask them to shoot a gap and not do a lot of thinking or reacting.

I'm NOT on the Hopper bandwagon, I think there were other LBs (or players at other positions) they could have gone for that i would have liked, but Gute isn't trying to please me specifically with his picks.
Either way he's a Packer and he's got a shot, so I'm rooting for him. This could be the return of the 3rd round curse.

He is NOT a better athlete as graded by that scale than 74% of NFL players. He is better than 74% of prospective NFL players.

Most of the players under 7.5 never end up playing in the league.


7.2 is the average score of players who actually play in the NFL. This kids 7.5 is dead average athleticism for players who actually play in the NFL.

It’s above average for players who want to play in the NFL. He’s literally in the top 74% of prospects trying to get into the league.

But he’s playing against players who are actually in the NFL now, not college players who want to play in the NFL. So when you compare his athleticism you compare to to the players he’s playing against not to the players who didn’t make it into the league.

He absolutely is a dead average athlete compared to players who play in the NFL. If you said he was an above average athlwte compared to college players, that would be true.

[RashanGary]

Once we’ve established that his ras score is on par with average NFL athletes. Now it becomes quite obvious that he needs to be really good at something else to make it.

And he isn’t.

Like Big shot Bert Faver, this is Quay and Coops traveling priest.

[sharpe1027]

Saying he's not really good at something strikes me as an odd statement. If you believe some of the assessments, Hopper might be the best pass rusher for off ball LBers in the draft.

Maybe he's gonna bust, but it seems you're being intentionally controversial.

[run pMc]

The RAS website literally says "RAS scores measure a player's athletic performance relative to their peers and predict their draft potential." It provides historical perspective of a player's athletic profile within a position.
All the players when measured were prospective NFL players, since they were taken from combine/pro days.

It considers all the prior performances at a position and ranks the player being measured against them, producing a score. It's been stated in plenty of places that Jayden Reed's 6.74 RAS puts him at the 67.4th percentile athletically among all WRs. Likewise, Hopper's 7.42 puts him at the 74.2th percentile athletically among LB prospects.

RAS scores don't necessarily matter at some positions - it can be punitive for players who play NT, for example.
Not sure it matters a ton for QB -- both Aaron Rodgers (7.16) and Tom Brady (2.67) were under your 7.5 mark.
Antonio Brown had a 3.85. Devonta Freeman was sub-3.
Those all are/were Pro Bowl players.

Keisean Nixon has a 4.05 RAS. You can find plenty of NFL players with sub 5 RAS scores.

I would agree that it's more likely that a more athletic player will succeed, and Gute has drafted a large number of players with RAS over 8.

Hopper is not a bad athlete by NFL standards.

I think he was a reach inside the top 100, but there are some things he can do well. Manny times scouting is just looking at what a player does well and being able to live with (for the moment) what they don't. If the team lets him do what he does well and can hide or fix what he doesn't, he could be a good player.

[MadtownPacker]

Saying he's not really good at something strikes me as an odd statement. If you believe some of the assessments, Hopper might be the best pass rusher for off ball LBers in the draft.

Maybe he's gonna bust, but it seems you're being intentionally controversial.

He intentionally didn’t take his meds everything else is just a result. Turns him into this guy about stuff:




He will get better soon, won’t you RG?

[RashanGary]

Bro, it measures their score among players who test to enter the nfl. He scores better than 74% of prospects attempting to get into the nfl.

Of the prospects who attempt to get into the league, not all of them make it. Most of the lower athletes don’t.

The average RAS score of actual real NFL players (not just prospects) is 7.2

He’s dead average compared to players in the NFL and better than average compared to prospects trying to get in the NFL.


How you cant comprehend that is insane to me. It’s very simple. I swear this is two times you’ve argued ridiculous shit and you’re just playing stupid on me.

[RashanGary]

Are you guys really so dense that not one person chimes in and says yeah, there is a difference between people who test to get into the league and people who actually get in the league. You really believe every player who tests is in the league? You really don’t believe the ones who make it are more athletic than the ones who don’t? You guys seriously can’t comprehend that? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone right now. I can’t believe one person anywhere can’t wrap their mind around this.

[RashanGary]

So since we’ve determined beyond a doubt that he is dead average compared to players who make it into the NFL, he should be better than average in other areas and he’s not!

He is a bust.

[sharpe1027]

Since he is better in other areas, let's see what he does.

[sharpe1027]

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/nfl-d...n-tyron-hopper

Packers third-round pick Ty’Ron Hopper is a four-down player with the potential to be an elite blitzer and excellent coverage player, Missouri assistant coach D.J. Smith said.

Not a neutral opinion by any means, but this is some high praise.

[run pMc]

Bust, 4 down player - everyone's got an opinion on the internet. I think it makes sense to give Hopper 3 years before grading him (although I think he was a reach). He was second-team All-SEC, which isn't nothing. Maybe he's JAG, who knows.

There are 1,920 players on NFL rosters currently who posted a #RAS. Of those, 81.35% are rated 5.00 or above, with only 18.65% rated below average. A whopping 45.21% are above 8.00, in that elite range for athletic ability when compared to their peers.

The average #RAS for a player on an NFL roster is 7.16.

https://ras.football/roster-breakdowns-of-ras/

Don't confuse average (mean) with median. Don't boil things down to one number. And I'm nobody's bro.
It makes sense to draft bigger, faster athletes, so it's not a shock that 45% are 8+. Being athletic doesn't guarantee you'll be a good football player, but it does mean your ceiling is likely higher.

[bobblehead]

Are you guys really so dense that not one person chimes in and says yeah, there is a difference between people who test to get into the league and people who actually get in the league. You really believe every player who tests is in the league? You really don’t believe the ones who make it are more athletic than the ones who don’t? You guys seriously can’t comprehend that? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone right now. I can’t believe one person anywhere can’t wrap their mind around this.

No, you are correct on this one RG. Not sure what run is thinking on this one. NFL players is different than college guys trying to get into the NFL.