More Banjo - Packers at Lions

[pbmax]

I was listening to a Packer podcast (Jon Meerdkink? Is that his name?) yesterday and he agreed with a listener that Micah Hyde was a pretty good comparison.

More interesting to me is that he said that Ted Thompson kept arguing that Hyde should be playing safety and not the slot position. Dom Capers did not agree and kept Hyde at the slot. So when Hyde came up for possible re-signing, Ted said basically well, if you're going to keep him at the slot when he should be a safety, then we're not paying the high safety-like dollars Hyde wants when slot corners (at that time) make less.

I did not know that. Ted was already apparently physically diminishing, but was not yet so far gone mentally that he couldn't scout a player accurately.

Ted was right though about the dollars and the position. Dom messed that one up trying to fill the hole they had at slot corner at the time.

Ted should have just released all the other safeties and signed only slot corners at that point Moneyball him.

Its one reason cycling through coordinators makes things difficult.

[bobblehead]

It's not perfect. Here's how I look at it. You can use the best data and analysis possible to make a decision, or you can throw that out because it's not perfect and make a decision based on what? Intuition? .

I can find a point of agreement with you. In the past the "old guard" didn't go for it enough. The "new math" has changed that. Over correction? I think so, but we agree that using the data to tweak biases can be useful.

[bobblehead]

I was listening to a Packer podcast (Jon Meerdkink? Is that his name?) yesterday and he agreed with a listener that Micah Hyde was a pretty good comparison.

More interesting to me is that he said that Ted Thompson kept arguing that Hyde should be playing safety and not the slot position. Dom Capers did not agree and kept Hyde at the slot. So when Hyde came up for possible re-signing, Ted said basically well, if you're going to keep him at the slot when he should be a safety, then we're not paying the high safety-like dollars Hyde wants when slot corners (at that time) make less.

I did not know that. Ted was already apparently physically diminishing, but was not yet so far gone mentally that he couldn't scout a player accurately.

I know I screamed that from the rooftops. Surprised that Ted wouldn't have been more forceful about it. I wonder where fat mike stood....other than in line for the old country buffet.

[sharpe1027]

I can find a point of agreement with you. In the past the "old guard" didn't go for it enough. The "new math" has changed that. Over correction? I think so, but we agree that using the data to tweak biases can be useful.

Right! I'm not saying blindly follow data that is based on historical averages. I am saying that being able to poke holes in data with situational examples doesn't justify ignoring the data. I'd go a step further and say the holes are probably known to the decision makers and data analysts who then try to compensate for them in their decisions.

All said, I'd recommend you start with where the data says and only deviate with a good reason.

[Fritz]

I know I screamed that from the rooftops. Surprised that Ted wouldn't have been more forceful about it. I wonder where fat mike stood....other than in line for the old country buffet.

I think it might be bad precedent to force your coordinator to play a guy at a position the coach doesn't want to play him at. Even though Ted was correct in his assessment.

[pbmax]

I think it might be bad precedent to force your coordinator to play a guy at a position the coach doesn't want to play him at. Even though Ted was correct in his assessment.

You have to negotiate your way out of it and I'm not sure Ted liked to do that. Brandt has said that Ted preferred to defer tough conversations sometimes. He has said it enough I am not sure how much of it is true versus how much of it is Brandt's view on the 'correct' approach.

But Hyde should have been safety and Capers needed someone capable at that nickel slot in his D. Ted needed to make that happen. Truth be told, neither was likely certain about moving Hyde, hence no definitive step. But Capers did need a slot corner more than a safety in his starting 11.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You have to negotiate your way out of it and I'm not sure Ted liked to do that. Brandt has said that Ted preferred to defer tough conversations sometimes. He has said it enough I am not sure how much of it is true versus how much of it is Brandt's view on the 'correct' approach.

But Hyde should have been safety and Capers needed someone capable at that nickel slot in his D. Ted needed to make that happen. Truth be told, neither was likely certain about moving Hyde, hence no definitive step. But Capers did need a slot corner more than a safety in his starting 11.

Y’all forgot about Casey Fucking Hayward. Though a bit injury-prone, Hayward was a competent slot corner. They - Polar Bear, Capers, et. el., allowed Hayward to walk because they wanted Mr. Hyde to man the “star” position in the aftermath of Carlos Madara-Hijo’s departure.

Mr. Hyde was an abomination.

[pbmax]

Y’all forgot about Casey Fucking Hayward. Though a bit injury-prone, Hayward was a competent slot corner. They - Polar Bear, Capers, et. el., allowed Hayward to walk because they wanted Mr. Hyde to man the “star” position in the aftermath of Carlos Madara-Hijo’s departure.

Mr. Hyde was an abomination.

Hayward was injured and far superior outside. He wasn't a natural slot corner. But he was part of a secondary that never quite came together. Hayward had a couple of sterling years outside for the Charger(?) but he mostly fell off toward the end of his career with injuries that I remember.

[bobblehead]

Hayward was injured and far superior outside. He wasn't a natural slot corner. But he was part of a secondary that never quite came together. Hayward had a couple of sterling years outside for the Charger(?) but he mostly fell off toward the end of his career with injuries that I remember.

He was good for the chargers. Everyone falls off at the end of their career or it wouldn't be the end