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  • McCarthy is an odd hire for the Steelers. Since 1969 they have had only three head coaches; Noll, Cowher and Tomlin. Kind of an amazing history of longevity. Not only was each in his 30s when hired, each retired at an age younger than what McCarthy is now, when being hired. Noll coached 23 seasons, Cowher 15 seasons and Tomlin 19 seasons. How long do they expect McCarthy to last?

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    • Long enough to win a Super Bowl?
      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

      KYPack

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      • Originally posted by Patler View Post
        McCarthy is an odd hire for the Steelers. Since 1969 they have had only three head coaches; Noll, Cowher and Tomlin. Kind of an amazing history of longevity. Not only was each in his 30s when hired, each retired at an age younger than what McCarthy is now, when being hired. Noll coached 23 seasons, Cowher 15 seasons and Tomlin 19 seasons. How long do they expect McCarthy to last?
        I think Tomlin never finished under .500. I'm predicting that streak of the steelers ends in 2026 season.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • Buffalo promotes OC Joe Brady to HC

          Brian Callahan - Tennessee Hired Robert Saleh
          Brian Daboll - New York Giants Hired John Harbaugh
          Raheem Morris - Atlanta Hired Kevin Stefanski
          Kevin Stefanski - Cleveland
          Pete Carroll - Las Vegas
          Jonathan Gannon - Arizona
          John Harbaugh - Baltimore Hired Jesse Minter
          Mike McDaniel - Miami Hired Jeff Hafley
          Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Hired Mike McCarthy
          Sean McDermott - Buffalo Hired Joe Brady
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • Is Sean McDermott coming to Detroit as a coordinator?
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • How did Belichick not get a first ballot hof nod? Deflate and spygate?
              The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
              Vince Lombardi

              "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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              • Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                How did Belichick not get a first ballot hof nod? Deflate and spygate?
                Multiple sources told ESPN that Spygate and Deflategate, the twin cheating scandals during the Patriots' championship run, came up in deliberations among voters. A voter who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Polian, an ardent Kraft supporter and former general manager of the Buffalo Bills and Indianapolis Colts -- a chief Patriots rival during their dynasty -- told some voters he believed Belichick should "wait a year" before induction as penance for Spygate, the 2007 cheating scandal that cost the team a first-round draft pick. Commissioner Roger Goodell also fined Belichick $500,000 and the Patriots $250,000.

                "The only explanation [for the outcome] was the cheating stuff," a veteran Hall voter told ESPN on Tuesday. "It really bothered some of the guys."

                In an interview with ESPN on Tuesday night, Polian denied telling fellow voters that Belichick should serve a one-year penance for Spygate. He said he heard his fellow voters "float that idea" but insisted he didn't agree or disagree with the proposal. Polian said he voted for Kraft and even spoke up on his behalf during the deliberations, saying Kraft had no knowledge of the Spygate scheme. Polian added that he could not remember with 100% certainty if he voted for Belichick, saying he was 95% sure he voted for the coach and a player, "most likely" Greenwood.

                "I was shocked to learn Bill didn't get in," Polian said. "He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame."
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • If players are punished by Halls of Fame for betting, using performance enhancers, etc. why shouldn't coaches be punished similarly for cheating?

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                  • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                    If players are punished by Halls of Fame for betting, using performance enhancers, etc. why shouldn't coaches be punished similarly for cheating?
                    Because the Pro Football Hall of Fame doesn't list it as a qualifier or prerequisite? Also the committee cannot even devise a solid method of winnowing down lists and voting. They are in no position to judge and then vote on character. Does the bio the voters get even include the pertinent details? For me Deflate-Gate was next to nothing and with a correctly applied Ideal Gas Law*, it might literally have been nothing. Spygate was more serious which you could tell because Roger Goodell burned the evidence voluntarily.

                    And if cheating was disqualifying, a lot of coaches would still be waiting. Think about the 70s Steelers lineman who wouldn't be in because they were getting juiced illegally.

                    I'd be more exercised if this did not read to me like a pissing contest between Belichick and Kraft. Kraft hasn't gotten in yet and Polian voted for him. I am not surprised Polian was agitating to keep Belichick out for a year. They deserve each other.

                    * Ideal Gas Law applied by the investigative team made it look obvious the balls had violated the minimum inflation setting. But the correctly applied Van der Waals equations made it far less certain. VdW version of the Gas Law is much more accurate in real world conditions.

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                    However, it looks like Billy and Bobby were the victims of a shoddily constructed process that was changed for this year:

                    Mike Sando @SandoNFL

                    I'm a HOF voter who saw Belichick as slam-dunk. I don't know anything about voting results, but if this is true, and we'll find out officially next week, the question is, how could this happen?

                    Before I list possibilities, understand this:

                    Belichick, Kraft, Craig, Anderson & Greenwood are competing for 1-3 spots, separate from the 15 modern-era finalists

                    50 voters each pick 3 of the 5

                    Between 1-3 make it (40+ votes needed for anyone besides top vote getter to make it)

                    So it's a ZERO-SUM game, huge change made in '25: 250 total votes to go around for five candidates with a high bar for clearance

                    Now we count the potential ways Belichick might get fewer than 40 votes even when 40+ on committee think he's a HOFer...

                    •Let's say 4-5 voters who were strong advocates for specific senior players figured Belichick was going to make it regardless, so they funneled votes to competing candidates in hopes of boosting them over the 40-vote threshold;

                    •Let's say a few voters prioritized senior players on the thinking that Belichick will be back in the room next year, while the players on the ballot this year might disappear into the senior pool forever

                    •Let's say a few voters found Spygate/cheating disqualifying

                    •Let's say a few voters protested new rules making coaches eligible one year after retiring instead of five

                    Whatever the case, I would see this as a repudiation of the new voting rules implemented for 2025, not of Belichick or any candidate not making it.

                    There will be changes to the process, I predict
                    Posted on Twitter yesterday https://x.com/SandoNFL/status/2016296455305392315
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • When voters vote, even specified and clearly defined qualifiers, disqualifiers, prerequisites, criteria and conditions mean nothing when the candidate is on the list. Voters vote however they want, including and applying whatever jealousies and favoritisms they want to. Voters are not asked to explain why they did or didn't vote for any candidate or even disclose who they did vote for. It doesn't surprise me at all that enough voters may have decided to make Belichick wait for a year or two because of Spygate, (which as I recall was not just a single incident but included a second occurrence even after the first had been discovered.)

                      I agree that by itself the ball inflation thing was not a big deal and would have been quickly forgotten, except that for many it was a "here they go again" incident.

                      Lots of player-cheaters are in the various Halls of Fame, and many who were likely less serious transgressors have been kept out. If "Belicheat" is made to wait a couple years, it doesn't bother me in the least.

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                      • Cleveland hires former Tampa Bay and Baltimore OC Todd Monken as HC

                        Brian Callahan - Tennessee Hired Robert Saleh
                        Brian Daboll - New York Giants Hired John Harbaugh
                        Raheem Morris - Atlanta Hired Kevin Stefanski
                        Kevin Stefanski - Cleveland Hired Todd Monken
                        Pete Carroll - Las Vegas
                        Jonathan Gannon - Arizona
                        John Harbaugh - Baltimore Hired Jesse Minter
                        Mike McDaniel - Miami Hired Jeff Hafley
                        Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Hired Mike McCarthy
                        Sean McDermott - Buffalo Hired Joe Brady
                        I can't run no more
                        With that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places
                        Say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                        A thundercloud
                        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                        • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          Cleveland hires former Tampa Bay and Baltimore OC Todd Monken as HC

                          Brian Callahan - Tennessee Hired Robert Saleh
                          Brian Daboll - New York Giants Hired John Harbaugh
                          Raheem Morris - Atlanta Hired Kevin Stefanski
                          Kevin Stefanski - Cleveland Hired Todd Monken
                          Pete Carroll - Las Vegas
                          Jonathan Gannon - Arizona
                          John Harbaugh - Baltimore Hired Jesse Minter
                          Mike McDaniel - Miami Hired Jeff Hafley
                          Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Hired Mike McCarthy
                          Sean McDermott - Buffalo Hired Joe Brady
                          Curious how Monken will do. He's an offensive creative, not sure how HC will suit him.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                            Curious how Monken will do. He's an offensive creative, not sure how HC will suit him.
                            It's Cleveland. What could go wrong?
                            I can't run no more
                            With that lawless crowd
                            While the killers in high places
                            Say their prayers out loud
                            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                            A thundercloud
                            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                            • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                              When voters vote, even specified and clearly defined qualifiers, disqualifiers, prerequisites, criteria and conditions mean nothing when the candidate is on the list. Voters vote however they want, including and applying whatever jealousies and favoritisms they want to. Voters are not asked to explain why they did or didn't vote for any candidate or even disclose who they did vote for. It doesn't surprise me at all that enough voters may have decided to make Belichick wait for a year or two because of Spygate, (which as I recall was not just a single incident but included a second occurrence even after the first had been discovered.)

                              I agree that by itself the ball inflation thing was not a big deal and would have been quickly forgotten, except that for many it was a "here they go again" incident.

                              Lots of player-cheaters are in the various Halls of Fame, and many who were likely less serious transgressors have been kept out. If "Belicheat" is made to wait a couple years, it doesn't bother me in the least.
                              Not bothered either. I think cheating might have cost him a couple votes but the voting process cost him some more. He won't have to wait as long as Al Davis (7 years).

                              What also likely cost him votes was treating reporters as beneath him. Except among the sycophants, there isn't much love lost so there were likely a lot of people willing to let others vote him in as they cast votes for players with far fewer remaining chances.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                                It's Cleveland. What could go wrong?




                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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