Favre criticizes Packers' failed attempt at trading for Moss

[GrnBay007]

I'm depressed too. I was really looking forward to having Randy Moss show us his ass in the endzone and show us he's a real ass at press conferences, walking off the field before the game ends, running over traffic cops, etc. etc. Lovely man, that Randy Moss. I'd enjoy him farting in my face if it meant two more TDs and a possible wildcard loss - but hey that's just me - I have standards ya know.

NOBODY has any way of knowing how Moss would or wouldn't act or behave if he had come to GB. Things have been relatively quiet on the Moss front the last couple years....maybe he's finally grown up a bit. It's not like he's TO and is in the news every other week for his BS.

Spoken like a true enabler.

LOL...not at all, but anyway.....

Wheww....sure am glad I won't be standing in front of you on Judgment Day!!

P.S. I'm one of those bad people (with no standards) that wishes Koren Robinson well with his treatment/sobriety and hopes he can return to be productive in the NFL.

[mraynrand]

I'm depressed too. I was really looking forward to having Randy Moss show us his ass in the endzone and show us he's a real ass at press conferences, walking off the field before the game ends, running over traffic cops, etc. etc. Lovely man, that Randy Moss. I'd enjoy him farting in my face if it meant two more TDs and a possible wildcard loss - but hey that's just me - I have standards ya know.

NOBODY has any way of knowing how Moss would or wouldn't act or behave if he had come to GB. Things have been relatively quiet on the Moss front the last couple years....maybe he's finally grown up a bit. It's not like he's TO and is in the news every other week for his BS.

Spoken like a true enabler.

LOL...not at all, but anyway.....

Wheww....sure am glad I won't be standing in front of you on Judgment Day!!

That's pretty much the response I expected (actually I was expecting a 'holier than thou' type of remark - but close enough). I feel pretty confident that I can make some type of judgment of Randy Moss' behavior. I find it pretty depressing actually that so many Packer fans are willing to take this guy in for what I guess might be a 1 or 2 game bump and possible playoff appearance. The guy is, among his NFL peers, a disgusting malcontent. Not as bad as some felons that are out there, but bad enough. I don't like him and am glad he's not on the Packers. I also am disappointed that Favre takes the position that he has - both in wanting Moss and in speaking out about it.

[PackerBlues]

I'm depressed too. I was really looking forward to having Randy Moss show us his ass in the endzone and show us he's a real ass at press conferences, walking off the field before the game ends, running over traffic cops, etc. etc. Lovely man, that Randy Moss. I'd enjoy him farting in my face if it meant two more TDs and a possible wildcard loss - but hey that's just me - I have standards ya know.

NOBODY has any way of knowing how Moss would or wouldn't act or behave if he had come to GB. Things have been relatively quiet on the Moss front the last couple years....maybe he's finally grown up a bit. It's not like he's TO and is in the news every other week for his BS.

Spoken like a true enabler.

LOL...not at all, but anyway.....

Wheww....sure am glad I won't be standing in front of you on Judgment Day!!

That's pretty much the response I expected (actually I was expecting a 'holier than thou' type of remark - but close enough). I feel pretty confident that I can make some type of judgment of Randy Moss' behavior. I find it pretty depressing actually that so many Packer fans are willing to take this guy in for what I guess might be a 1 or 2 game bump and possible playoff appearance. The guy is, among his NFL peers, a disgusting malcontent. Not as bad as some felons that are out there, but bad enough. I don't like him and am glad he's not on the Packers. I also am disappointed that Favre takes the position that he has - both in wanting Moss and in speaking out about it.

I am in awe. Talk about needing to walk a mile in someone elses shoes. You expected a holier than thou remark? You should I suppose. When I think back to the things that Randy Moss has done, I cannot think of anything that was all that bad.
There was the water bottle incident. He sprayed a ref with his water bottle. OK......Who in the hell hasnt wanted to do AT LEAST that much to a ref? I was at the Playoff game in Lambeau against Atlanta a few years back. I had a great seat with a great view of the field. Beleave me, some of the calls the ref's made that night had me wanting to do more than squirt them with water. Sure it was childish, but how old was Moss when he did that?
The mooning incedent? Big deal. The band came out with their stupid assed signs during that game with some smart assed comments to moss. He mooned the the band after he scored. Again, it was childish, but not anywhere close to the kind of stuff that people with REAL "character" issues do.
Koren Robinson........trying to outrun cops while intoxicated.
Ricky Williams.........the guy loves the ganj more than the game of football.
Ahmad Carroll........weapon and drug charges.

I cannot in any way, understand your apperant hatred for Randy Moss..........Other than the fact that he has single-handedly kicked the tar out of GB's seconday so many times that it gives nightmares to think of it.

On top of your problem with Moss, you dont think Favre has the right to speak out about Ted Thompson's lack of effort to close the deal? Buddy, I will tell you right now, you need to get off your high horse. You were expecting a holier than thou reply..........amazing. Here is your Holier than thou reply then:

This is Wisconsin. The Pride of Wisconsin is The GreenBay Packers. Brett Favre is the Heart and Soul of the Packers. He has been for quite some time. How anyone could possibly forget that, is beyond me! If Brett Favre has a problem with how Ted Thompson does ANYTHING.....he of all people has earned the right to speak his mind, and anyone who thinks differently is more than entitled to their own opinion, but its not going to be an opinion that many people in this state would share with you. If you honestly believe that Thompson has tried to improve our offense in an effort to win now rather than a year from now, than God bless you for the ignorant Packer fan that you are.

Ted Thompson : "I believe in building and that sort of thing. But I think you have to try to help your team. Quite frankly, I'd rather help us now rather than help us a year from now."

Go ahead and find anything credible that you can, that points toward Thompson trying to help improve our offense. Show me where he has tried to give our offense a proven weapon to help put points on the board. I am sure that the best you can come up with would be a few offensive linemen who have their starting jobs by pure default, and a draft pick or two that "panned out". Otherwise, it would appear to me that Brett Favre has every right to be disgusted, and that would be a huge understatement in the eyes of many Packer fans.
I would go a step further to say that Ted Thompson is really starting to look like a huge disgrace to the Packer organization, but that argument is already getting old.......and that in itself should speak volumes.

[mraynrand]

Koren Robinson........trying to outrun cops while intoxicated.
Ricky Williams.........the guy loves the ganj more than the game of football.
Ahmad Carroll........weapon and drug charges.

Nice list of fine upstanding individuals to compare Moss against. I guess you forgot about the traffic cop, too. Or battery charges in High School and violation of 'work release' for - you guessed it, MJ possession. He also had pot with him when he was arrested for running down the traffic cop. You want him, that's your business. But the guy's trouble, and all your attempts at excusing his behavior just prove my point - Most fans are willing to overlook a bunch of illegal behavior for a few TDs and perhaps a playoff appearance. Have fun with that. I think anyone who can overlooked being 'mooned' is a lame fan. Real fans hold grudges for a lot less. Let's see how much NE likes this guy when he melts down. Who's worse, Terry Glenn or Randy Moss. They'll get to compare and contrast. I'm glad the Packers don't have him and I wish they didn't have K-rob either. But that's just me. The rest of you want your two TDs and a Wild Card loss. That's important!

[GrnBay007]

That's pretty much the response I expected (actually I was expecting a 'holier than thou' type of remark - but close enough). I feel pretty confident that I can make some type of judgment of Randy Moss' behavior.

Based on behavior 3-10 years ago? Yep, people never change.

I find it pretty depressing actually that so many Packer fans are willing to take this guy in for what I guess might be a 1 or 2 game bump and possible playoff appearance.

Please! You have no way of knowing that...or even guessing at this point.

The guy is, among his NFL peers, a disgusting malcontent. Not as bad as some felons that are out there, but bad enough. I don't like him and am glad he's not on the Packers.

That is your opinion and you are well entitled to it....however, I think it's wrong to belittle people that differ from your opinion.......especially regarding standards....as you so noted.

I also am disappointed that Favre takes the position that he has - both in wanting Moss and in speaking out about it.

Why? Brett Favre wants to win. Do you think you have more information on this than he does....that Randy Moss would not immediately help the Packers? Favre would never compromise the TEAM to get one player in for help....he's always been about the team. And as far as him speaking out, I also disagree, he didn't say anything disrespectful towards the Packers........he just voiced his opinion......which many other QB's do ....AND, after 17 years of service I believe he has the right to do so.

[GrnBay007]

Let's see how much NE likes this guy when he melts down.

You mean in Glendale, Ariz. on Feb. 3, 2008?

[Patler]

I find it pretty depressing actually that so many Packer fans are willing to take this guy in for what I guess might be a 1 or 2 game bump and possible playoff appearance. The guy is, among his NFL peers, a disgusting malcontent. Not as bad as some felons that are out there, but bad enough. I don't like him and am glad he's not on the Packers. I also am disappointed that Favre takes the position that he has - both in wanting Moss and in speaking out about it.

My feelings too, exactly.

[Rastak]

Koren Robinson........trying to outrun cops while intoxicated.
Ricky Williams.........the guy loves the ganj more than the game of football.
Ahmad Carroll........weapon and drug charges.

Nice list of fine upstanding individuals to compare Moss against. I guess you forgot about the traffic cop, too. Or battery charges in High School and violation of 'work release' for - you guessed it, MJ possession. He also had pot with him when he was arrested for running down the traffic cop. You want him, that's your business. But the guy's trouble, and all your attempts at excusing his behavior just prove my point - Most fans are willing to overlook a bunch of illegal behavior for a few TDs and perhaps a playoff appearance. Have fun with that. I think anyone who can overlooked being 'mooned' is a lame fan. Real fans hold grudges for a lot less. Let's see how much NE likes this guy when he melts down. Who's worse, Terry Glenn or Randy Moss. They'll get to compare and contrast. I'm glad the Packers don't have him and I wish they didn't have K-rob either. But that's just me. The rest of you want your two TDs and a Wild Card loss. That's important!

I'm definately not a Randy Moss apologist but "running down a traffic cop?"...give me a fricken break. She sat her fat ass on the hood of his car and he drove along at 2 miles an hour trying to make a turn she didn't want him to make. Wrong? YES. Big deal and running down a traffic cop? HARDLY.


Walking off the field with the game on the line was his biggest crime.

[Patler]

Apparently everyone has forgotten that as recently as August 2005, in an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted to smoking marijuana. Per ESPN.com, he said

"I have used, you know, marijuana ... since I've been in the league," Moss said in an interview for HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" scheduled to air Tuesday night. "But as far as abusing it and, you know, letting it take control over me, I don't do that, no."

When pressed whether he still smokes marijuana, the star receiver with the checkered past said: "I might. I might have fun. And, you know, hopefully ... I won't get into any trouble by the NFL by saying that, you know. I have had fun throughout my years and, you know, predominantly in the offseason."

So when was it that this rehabilitated, grown-up, matured Randy Moss emerged?

[Rastak]

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LORD FAVRE IS DISPLEASED

Packers quarterback Brett Favre was widely believed to be pushing for the addition of receiver Randy Moss to the team. We had heard on numerous occasions that Favre was convinced that Moss would be a Packer in 2007.

But it didn't happen. Two weeks after the fact, Favre is sounding off about it.

"It was a done deal and the stories of how we lost him because he didn't want to restructure his contract were not true," Favre told the Biloxi Sun Herald.

"He was going to wipe his contract clean and sign for $3 million guaranteed, plus a fourth-round draft pick. That would have been a steal. But we were not willing to guarantee part of that $3 million. I even had [agent] Bus [Cook] call up there and tell them I would give up part of my salary to guarantee that part of the money. Apparently that wasn't enough either."

But Moss is getting no guaranteed money in New England either, so if the Packers were willing to pay $3 million with no guaranteed money and give up a fourth-round draft pick, Moss chose the same deal in New England over Green Bay. Indeed, agent Tim DiPiero said on the official Randy Moss web site that the Pats were the first team that they called once Moss got permission to shop himself.

So if what Favre is saying is accurate, Moss wanted a better deal from the Packers than the Patriots were willing to give him.

But, as far as Favre goes, the only thing that matters is what Favre thinks. And he thinks that the team could have had Moss, and that the team is trying to send Favre a subtle message.

"I just want to win; maybe I see things the wrong way," Favre said. "I don't want to ruffle any feathers and I want people to respect me. Sometimes I think it's hard for them to let Brett go. They might think that we pay him a lot of money, but he still gives us the best chance to win. I've never been told that, but there are times when I wonder if I'm the odd man out here and they just don't know how to tell me." (Emphasis added.)

We think he's right. We believe that G.M. Ted Thompson has been playing the passive-aggressive routine over the past two offseasons, saying all the right things about Favre but doing nothing to make him happy. Last April, during the infamous press conference about nothing, Favre said that he wanted to see the team bring in a Reggie White-style free agent. In 13 months since then, the closest Thompson has gotten to it is Charles Woodson, an underachieving defensive back who has been okay at best.

Moss was their best chance to get a true game-changer, and it was well known that Favre wanted him. How could Favre view the decision not to close the deal as anything other than a message to him that his opinion doesn't matter anymore?

"I told [receiver] Donald [Driver] to imagine a one-back set with a three-man rotation," Favre said. "Who would they cover? If they double Randy, Donald would be in single coverage. Last year, he caught 92 balls in double and triple coverage and made the Pro Bowl.

"Our offense struggled last season. If it were not for our defense, we would not have won eight games. Right now, it's hard to be optimistic. I'm not getting any younger and I think everyone knows that. I don't have five years to rebuild. No one in Green Bay is saying rebuild but it's hard to look at where we are going and say, 'How can they not be rebuilding?'

"I don't know if I've lost faith, and I think everyone in the organization wants to win. I just don't know if it includes me. If it's going to be five years from now, I'm not going to be here. This is 17 years for me and I want to win."

So why is Favre saying all of this? We think he's trying to get the Cheeseheads ready for what could come next -- a request for a trade or an abrupt retirement. And, like Donovan McNabb in Philly, Favre wants to be sure that the ultimate blame for any divorce gets put on the team.

And, if this ends in an ugly fashion, we think that's precisely where the blame should be placed. If the Packers don't want Favre, they shouldn't separate in cowardly fashion by frustrating him to the point that he walks. The team should simply end it and move on. (Or move out.)

Hey, maybe they can sign Todd Pinkston.


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HAS FAVRE ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE?

We've received several e-mails over the past week or so suggesting that message board postings from an administrator named "DavidPHX" on Brett Favre's official web site indicate that Favre has asked for a trade. "DavidPHX" has been characterized to us by multiple readers as a long-time Favre friend.

In response to a rumor that Favre has asked to be traded in the wake of the Randy Moss mess, DavidPHX posted on May 5, "Sorry Folks but I can't deny this rumor."

Later in the day, DavidPHX elaborated: "Hypothetically let's say it was true, it is more a personal issue between someone and [Ted Thompson]. Honesty, integrity is very important to some. It is not an issue of a player demanding a certain person on the team. That person would never do this. It could be a issue that a certain person told him you give an answer [about playing in 2007] before the [Super Bowl] and I will get you help? Then that person leading him to believe that he was serious about Randy?"

Then, DavidPHX added this: "Many of the reporters in Green Bay have heard this rumor also. Problem is they fear someone to[o] much to write about it. They want a certain person to confirm and that person is way to[o] loyal and not that type of a football player to let personal issues become part of the game?"

Apparently, "that person" recently has decided to blow off some steam on this one, and it might not be long before word comes out that Favre has asked to be moved.

But where would Favre land if he is traded? Miami? Oakland? Cleveland? Kansas City? There simply aren't many cities where a starting quarterback is needed.

The Saints would have been a great fit in 2006, and we have a feeling Favre now regrets not trying to make it happen. But the Saints weren't considered a year ago to be a potential contender in 2006, and there's no clear-cut contender in 2007 that needs a starting quarterback.

Or is there? If the Falcons were to decide to dump or trade Michael Vick, Favre could go back to the place where he started, and try to lead the team to heights that Vick never will.

Such a move would also help keep the Georgia Dome full while the franchise tries to refocus on winning games and not on making money via the Michael Vick machine.

And what about the Cowboys? Sure, Tony Romo is the future. But could Jerry Jones resist the chance to bring in Brett Favre for a season or two? It would help Romo's development, and it would provide a short-term upgrade.

Finally, the Bears would be more likely to win a Super Bowl with Favre instead of Rex Grossman, but we can't imagine Brett even entertaining the possibility of playing for the Packers' arch-rivals.

[Bretsky]

Personally, I think Thompson blew this one. His rookies better be able to contribute early. Of course, Moss could be the broken down Moss of the last 2 years, but I would have easily taken a chance considering the low cost.

completely agree

[Bretsky]

Apparently everyone has forgotten that as recently as August 2005, in an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted to smoking marijuana. Per ESPN.com, he said

"I have used, you know, marijuana ... since I've been in the league," Moss said in an interview for HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" scheduled to air Tuesday night. "But as far as abusing it and, you know, letting it take control over me, I don't do that, no."

When pressed whether he still smokes marijuana, the star receiver with the checkered past said: "I might. I might have fun. And, you know, hopefully ... I won't get into any trouble by the NFL by saying that, you know. I have had fun throughout my years and, you know, predominantly in the offseason."

So when was it that this rehabilitated, grown-up, matured Randy Moss emerged?

I'd be willing to bet money we have several players using pot in the offseason.

I'm fine with Koren Robinson, not exactly a Saint.
I'm also fine with Randy Moss.

Part of that is desperation of wanting to have a shot.


B

[b bulldog]

TT totally blew this but the last thing the team needs is it's HOF QB whining about it. Don't forget that Moss has stated numerous times that he wants a championship and the Pats have a much better shot at giving him that than the Packers do.Maybe he will be traded but I doubt he will. I do think TT has wanted to move on but he doesn't have the stones to actually do it. I think on this Moss deal we are now down to three or four different scenarios on why it never happpened.

[Patler]

Apparently everyone has forgotten that as recently as August 2005, in an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted to smoking marijuana. Per ESPN.com, he said

"I have used, you know, marijuana ... since I've been in the league," Moss said in an interview for HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" scheduled to air Tuesday night. "But as far as abusing it and, you know, letting it take control over me, I don't do that, no."

When pressed whether he still smokes marijuana, the star receiver with the checkered past said: "I might. I might have fun. And, you know, hopefully ... I won't get into any trouble by the NFL by saying that, you know. I have had fun throughout my years and, you know, predominantly in the offseason."

So when was it that this rehabilitated, grown-up, matured Randy Moss emerged?

I'd be willing to bet money we have several players using pot in the offseason.

I'm fine with Koren Robinson, not exactly a Saint.
I'm also fine with Randy Moss.

Part of that is desperation of wanting to have a shot.


B

I don't doubt that there are Packers who do similar things, but by speaking out about it as blatantly as he did, Moss sets himself out as being above the rules. Its not that he does it. Its that he seems to think it shouldn't matter, inspite of league rules about it.

[b bulldog]

Brett is mad cause Moss burned him and signed with the Pats.