Favre criticizes Packers' failed attempt at trading for Moss

[Packers4Ever]

Favre admitted he's not fired up about coming to minicamp, but he said the Packers can expect him to be the same guy he's always been.

He seems kind of depressed...

Yes, I am too!

Can you imagine how sick we will all feel if Moss has an outstanding year?

This is a nasty thing to say but I'll bet I'm not the only one to feel this way. I hope Moss goes back to his "naughty boy" tricks in mid-season 2007, and Belichik is forced to deal with the same old problems.
Was Brett right in speaking out? One has to heartily agree.

[green_bowl_packer]

I doubt either version is the entire truth. But its clear that Moss was playing one side against the other. Otherwise he would not have asked the Packers for guarantees that the Patriots weren't going to give him.

I've read that we wanted to pay out part of his salary in weekly bonuses, and that Randy said "no way!". The Packers usually get played as a patsy in situations like this like we did with Arrington, Vinatari, (was there another from 06 FA class?) and now Moss. Players just seem to use us as leverage, we have the money to pay these guys (insert TT cheap joke here), but we're not the first choice anymore like we used to be. I suppose that's why we have to build from within.

This was from PFT on May 1st regarding Randy Moss's new contract.

POSTED 8:38 a.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 9:35 a.m. EDT, May 1, 2007

MOSS PAY CUT NO SACRIFICE

Our own Taco Bill pointed out an item from ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli regarding the acquisition of Randy Moss by the Patriots. Len characterizes the decision of Moss to give up his two remaining years of salary at a total $21 million as a "sacrifice." Under his new contract, Moss will be paid (as we've finally confirmed) a $3 million salary and incentives worth up to $2 million more.

But this was no sacrifice. Instead, it was the latest example of the operation of the NFL marketplace.

To say that Moss gave up anywhere from $16 million to $18 million is to presume that the Raiders would have otherwise paid him another penny. It wasn't going to happen. Oakland was ready to move on. (Or move out.) If a trade didn't occur, Moss would have been cut. Probably sooner rather than later.

If he'd been released, the $21 million would have disappeared and Moss would have been forced to troll the NFL waters for a new team.

And, as suggested by the statement contained on Randy's official web site, Moss and his agent, Tim DiPiero, dropped their lines "[s]everal weeks ago," after receiving permission from the Raiders to shop for a trade.

So the real question isn't whether Moss gave up $21 million in Oakland to make up to $5 million in New England; it's whether another team was willing to give him a better deal than the one he signed with the Pats. If so, then the difference between the offer that was rejected elsewhere and his new deal is the real basis for determining the financial sacrifice, if any, that he took to play for the Pats.

Also, don't forget the real prize here. If Moss can "rip up" the NFL in 2007, as he did back in 1998, the money will come in 2008. Especially if Moss caps the season with 10 catches for 165 yards and a couple of touchdowns in the Super Bowl.

If that happens, someone will give him $21 million (or more) with the single stroke of a pen.

BRADY RESTRUCTURED DEAL

Although the contract that Randy Moss has signed with the Patriots will cost a maximum of $5 million in 2007 (which is less than five percent of the team's total cap space), a potential hiccup in the transaction was the requirement that the Pats be able to absorb Randy's $9.75 million cap figure after the trade and before the signing of the new deal.

[pbmax]

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

[BallHawk]

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

A bullshit rumor gets in motion and there's no stopping it. Nobody knows what Favre wants now, except Favre. And I'm even doubting he knows what he wants.

[Brainerd]

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

Because I read the whole article with an open mind without any preconceived notion as to its outcome. Try it sometime.

McCarthy immediately began trying to reach Favre by phone, but Favre ignored his calls for a week

Immediately is defined as without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once. If he wasn't frantic then why would he drop everything and immediately call Favre? Why would he care? And why would he continue for a week?

Its amazing what people around here nitpick when they can't handle a situation. It was just a word.

[pbmax]

Really. Well, someone who was reading the article without pre-conceived notions might suggest that "immediately" could mean:

because it was important
soon after
without delay
same day
before the end of business
within the hour

and the reason for the call:

to suggest he think about it
not go public
ask if this meant holdout
ask him to return
assure him the offense will be fine and improve
to see if he's coming to camp
to see if they needed another camp body to throw since ARod is still healing the ankle

But you really have to reach deep and choose one possibility above all else to get to frantic because ARod really, really stinks. And you must assume T2 knows McCarthy doesn't believe in ARod and have given the QB coach only one QB of his own choosing.

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

Because I read the whole article with an open mind without any preconceived notion as to its outcome. Try it sometime.

McCarthy immediately began trying to reach Favre by phone, but Favre ignored his calls for a week

Immediately is defined as without lapse of time; without delay; instantly; at once. If he wasn't frantic then why would he drop everything and immediately call Favre? Why would he care? And why would he continue for a week?

Its amazing what people around here nitpick when they can't handle a situation. It was just a word.

[Bretsky]

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

A bullshit rumor gets in motion and there's no stopping it. Nobody knows what Favre wants now, except Favre. And I'm even doubting he knows what he wants.

What Favre wants is to win now

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Can you please share the audio of M3's "frantic" phone calls?

How is it that you can qualify something you have never heard, then draw a conclusion about a third person based on a complete unknown?

MM frantically calling Favre to calm him down tells us more about Rodgers than I care to know right now. With the offense so in question I don't want to think about Rodgers at QB until I absolutely must. If MM and TT wanted Favre gone they just missed their golden opportunity.

A bullshit rumor gets in motion and there's no stopping it. Nobody knows what Favre wants now, except Favre. And I'm even doubting he knows what he wants.

I know what Favre wanted, not that hard to understand. People talk about blind love for Favre, am beginning I think their is some blind love for TT.

[BallHawk]

Ok, then what did Favre hope to accomplish by making these comments? What was his motive?

[pbmax]

Why would someone trust Favre's motives and distrust T2's motives?

Does anyone think its realistic that the Pack are going to "win now" even with Moss?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Why would someone trust Favre's motives and distrust T2's motives?

Does anyone think its realistic that the Pack are going to "win now" even with Moss?

Why not?

Can you honestly say our D is not good?
Can you honestly say our WR's would not be good with Moss?
Is Favre not good?
Will the o-line not improve?

HB and TE would be the remianing question marks. But we do have Franks at TE (maybe he can play decent this year) and a 2nd round pick at RB (which is why I wanted AG signed).

[Bretsky]

Why would someone trust Favre's motives and distrust T2's motives?

Does anyone think its realistic that the Pack are going to "win now" even with Moss?

I felt that the Packers had a good chance of making the playoffs with Moss.

I trust TT's motives.

He's going to do this his way, which happens to be pretty dam slow.
He's not going to take many risks via trades
He's going to cradle those draft picks like they are his firstborn
He's going to play by his rules and sometimes he'll get trumped by another team in his effort.

I'm truly surprised TT was even making a play for Moss; I never expected him to make it happen

[wist43]

Why would someone trust Favre's motives and distrust T2's motives?

Does anyone think its realistic that the Pack are going to "win now" even with Moss?

I felt that the Packers had a good chance of making the playoffs with Moss.

I trust TT's motives.

He's going to do this his way, which happens to be pretty dam slow.
He's not going to take many risks via trades
He's going to cradle those draft picks like they are his firstborn
He's going to play by his rules and sometimes he'll get trumped by another team in his effort.

I'm truly surprised TT was even making a play for Moss; I never expected him to make it happen

I guess I'm surprised that TT even entertained the idea of trading for Moss; but, the low offer is quintessential TT... of course he's going to get outbid.

As for motives??? I don't trust TT.

It's not that I don't think that TT wants to win... but, I think winning "his way" is more important to him that is winning itself.

Given that rookies are FA's after 4 years, and the average NFL contract is 3-4 years... TT's 10 year plan isn't what most Packer fans are looking for - neither is Brett Favre.

[Scott Campbell]

Combined with his "what are they gonna do, cut me?" comment from last summer, it's beginning to look like Favre thinks he can get away with saying almost anything. His use of the press is blatently manipulative.

[Bretsky]

I've never thought Favre was press wise; maybe he was sending a message and maybe he was not. Maybe he's just not smart and doesn't realize the impact a few of his words can have. Or maybe he wanted to send a message. Either way I agree with the message but not with how it was sent.

I also agree with wist; I found it hard to understand that TT would be serious about Moss, but he appeared to be. If he got outbid via a draft pick that does not surprise me one bit.

I do trust TT; but he's going to stubornly do things his way and that means the turtle crossing the road.