Favre asked to be traded

[Bretsky]

I won't believe this until my ears hear Brett admit asking for a trade or being frustrated with Ted Thompson. The last thing I heard Brett say is that he likes the young guys and that he thinks the team has alot of talent.

Loudmouth malcontent receivers don't win championships. Great defense, Solid QB play, and an excellent running game do. Brett knows that.

''I won't believe this until my ears hear Brett admit asking for a trade or being frustrated with Ted Thompson. The last thing I heard Brett say is that he likes the young guys and that he thinks the team has alot of talent.'' fr.above

This is where I am on this latest rumpr.

I certainly can understand if Favre is pissed though.He wants to win and as a Packer fan so do I.

Woody,

How's ya stay out of all these goodies ? If it was truly money only and Favre offered to give TT the difference from his salary, then TT gets a special place on my dart board; he's the whole board

I still think we don't have Moss because TT has too great of a lovefest with his draft picks and would not give up a 4th.

Either way the Polar Bear Express still lives

Cheers,
B

[woodbuck27]

I'm sure Brett was pissed because he really wanted Moss, he phoned him for weeks, he knew he could be had for cheap, Thompson kind of strung him along by showing interest, and then wouldn't even offer a 4th round pick for a guy that Favre thinks could help him contend for a championship. Favre never said publicly he wanted a trade--although I'm sure he let the team know that he was pissed. McCarthy seems to have squashed the trade request. Overblown. This isn't the usual case of a player wanting out because of money. Put yourself in Brett's shows. It would be tough. He REALLY likes Moss. Thought he was the difference between maybe making the playoffs and maybe contending for one last Super Bowl run. He went out of his way to recruit him. Then, they lost him because Thompson offered only a 5th--instead of a 4th. I'd probably be pissed too. Favre sometimes goes a little overboard, but I'm betting that once he sees Jones and Clowney, he'll tell everybody how great those guys are and how this will be the best receiving corps he's ever thrown to.

Great Post Harvey; 4th rounder; most teams would wipe their ass with a fourth rounder. Last year it brought us Cory Rodgers

''Then, they lost him because Thompson offered only a 5th--instead of a 4th.'' fr. HW's post

Can that be verified?

If it can. Then there is certainly an argument that TT low balled Oakland.

but after that. . . there will be the argument that Moss would only approve of a trade to the Pat's. The Brady over Favre stuff.

Can we as a board assemble the facts on this matter?

GO PACKERS !!

[woodbuck27]

I won't believe this until my ears hear Brett admit asking for a trade or being frustrated with Ted Thompson. The last thing I heard Brett say is that he likes the young guys and that he thinks the team has alot of talent.

Loudmouth malcontent receivers don't win championships. Great defense, Solid QB play, and an excellent running game do. Brett knows that.

''I won't believe this until my ears hear Brett admit asking for a trade or being frustrated with Ted Thompson. The last thing I heard Brett say is that he likes the young guys and that he thinks the team has alot of talent.'' fr.above

This is where I am on this latest rumor.

I certainly can understand if Favre is pissed though.He wants to win and as a Packer fan so do I.

Woody,

How's ya stay out of all these goodies ? If it was truly money only and Favre offered to give TT the difference from his salary, then TT gets a special place on my dart board; he's the whole board

I still think we don't have Moss because TT has too great of a lovefest with his draft picks and would not give up a 4th.

Either way the Polar Bear Express still lives

Cheers,
B

I just want. . . ' just the facts mame '.

[woodbuck27]

Re: No Moss

TT is rebuilding the Pack due to Sherman's moronic drafting (ie Donnel Washington, Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, BJ Sander, James Lee, etc.) and personnel moves (remember Terry Glenn for a 7th round pick, Joe Johnson, Cleditius Hunt, R-Kal Truluck, etc.).

So far, Ted drafts has brought solid football players akin to the Seahawks. Free agency resulted in Charles Woodson albeit probably more busts (ie Klemm, O'Dwyer, Taylor, Allen, Maynard) Trading and pickups resulted in Morency and Robinson.

On balance, imo, TT has done a wonderful job positioning the Packers for the super bowl. However the failure to procure Moss may be significant.

Ron Wolf made bold moves for Brett Favre, Keith Jackson, Reggie White, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Andre Rison, Don Bebee, Eugene Robinson, Bruce Wilkerson and Ron Cox which resulted in playoff and super bowl teams.

TT overly anal approach to the draft cost us Moss. RW says big deal if you over pay for a player that can help your team immediately. IMO Moss is the type of player (ie Reggie White, Keith Jackson, Andre Rison) that places the Packers in the super bowl hunt.

Only time will tell -- if we win the super bowl -- all is forgotten. Failure to reach or proceed deep into the playoffs means a critical analysis of TT's personnel decisions.

You're exactly right. If Moss puts up huge numbers and the Pats take another one home, it may be the beginning of the end for TT. If Moss pulls his same ol crap, TT will have been proven right. But no one will know until the end of the year.

And what do you think TT will get more of? Praise if he is right, or criticism if he is wrong?

What we have to try to determine here is whether or not TT was merely postering to acquire Randy Moss or really wanted him.

Just offering a 5th clearly indicates that TT had some interest in acquiring Randy Moss. How Moss performs in 2007 isn't releveent to this issue. Let's not shove the issue aside on a wait and see how Randy performs junket.

It was obviously important to Favre that TT made a sound effort to trade for Moss. It certainly appears that Favre was willing to restructure to assist in the financial aspect of acquiring Randy Moss. Favre demonstrates personal committment there if that's true.

Did Randy Moss have the power in his contract to veto any trades unless that trade was to a team of his choice? That fact would arguably trump all others as to why Randy Moss is a Pat.

or

If TT only offer'd a 5th Vs the Pats early 4th and thought that would do it until BANG. . .Moss is gone. Casts badly on TT to not ask Al Davis (Oakland) for the final offer.

Then there is the timing factor.

We need to determine the facts.

To say that Brett Favre was clearly aware of it all is determined in the name Bus Cook. Favre had (slash) has his finger on the pulse of the Randy Moss to Green Bay rumor. That has to be clear to most of us.

[pbmax]

Re: No Moss

Woodbuck, Moss did not have a contractual lever to force the Raiders to trade him to the team of his choice.

But it was clear that no team, including the Raiders, wanted him at the current salary.

So that meant the Raiders HAD to trade and Moss HAD to agree to a new contract.

Which means each had the power to veto any trade. But it was in each other's interest to cooperate.

[BENZITO]

I really think favre is out of line here. There are so many factors that pay into if the season is going to be a success or a failure. And in mid may nobody can tell who is going to win the superbowl this year. New England sure looks to be the favorite, but i dont believe that a team will be able to buy a championship so it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. If money could buy championships i think the redskins would have won the last 3 out of 5. But they have only made the playoffs once. This is a very young team that went 8-8 last year. What have we lost this offseason, an aging running back? What have we gained. Possibly a new Green, a couple WR to give us depth (not moss but i dont believe he wanted to be here anyways). Depth the the DL, and defense all together. With a good DL and LBs you will win games with just an average offense. Just look at the bears,BAL, pats when they were winning SBs. The best offense in the leauge from 2004-05 were the colts, no superbowl. Chargers last year, no superbowl. Lets keep building the defense, while slightly improving the offense (which i think we did this offeason) and mainly lets start judging how the team looks come august/september when we actually know who is starting and have seen them actually play.

[Chester Marcol]

Everyone in the media has been saying Moss wanted to win the SB and play with the greatest QB. That must feel like a slap in the face to Favre who seems unable to concied that he is no longer the guy everyone wants to play with.

This reaks of damage control on Favre's ego.

You counter yourself within your own statement. Moss wants to win a super bowl but yet it's Favre no one wants to play with any longer. Here's a shocker for you. If the Packers were a better team who was on the verge of a super bowl, Moss would have made that same statement about our beloved Pack.

The only reason Favre has no weight is because of the team he plays on. Pure and simple. Welcome back to Syberia.

[RashanGary]

Maybe I misread something, but I read that TT only offered a 5th and then NE swooped in with a better offer ??

No, that's what you wanted to hear.

[packers11]

Maybe I misread something, but I read that TT only offered a 5th and then NE swooped in with a better offer ??

No, that's what you wanted to hear.

NE offered a 4th, Pack offered a 5th... Its everywhere... Its not what he wanted to hear...

[Chester Marcol]

We can argue the Moss deal until after we finish this season and then debate if he would have helped or hurt us by his performance with the Pats. I think the Moss deal was just the final straw for Favre. I'm sure TT and M3 both have talked to Favre about the intentions of improving the team. Maybe Favre is just tired of hearing he is going to get help and then this stuff happens time and time again. Maybe TT cried wolf one to many times.

[gbpackfan]

POSTED 4:21 p.m. EDT, May 13, 2007

PACKERS SCRAMBLE TO DOUSE FLAMING FANS

At a time when wildfires have been raging in several corners of the nation, there's a conflagration that currently is consuming Packer nation.

And the front office knows it.

Why else would the team put out an "all is well" press release on Mother's Day?

"We are optimistic about the 2007 season," Thompson said in the team-issued Sunday statement. "We feel like we've had a great offseason program -- our guys are getting bigger and stronger -- and we'll improve from within. We're also excited about the players we've added through the draft and what those players will bring to our team."

Thompson also addressed the recent comments of quarterback Brett Favre, who expressed dissatisfaction about the team's failure to land Randy Moss.

"I think it's natural for a player to be frustrated from time to time -- that's simply being human," said Thompson. "Everyone knows that Brett Favre is all about winning. As an organization, we share that commitment. And we want to win now."

And Thompson provided a carefully-crafted non-answer to the question of whether, as Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reported earlier in the day, Favre has asked for a trade.

"We never comment on the talks we have with our players or with their agents, in line with the long-standing policy of our organization. We try to encourage open and honest dialogue with players and their agents. But if those talks later are shared with third parties, the willingness of players to be open in future conversations may be compromised."

Possible translation: "Yes, but because Brett currently has a literal and figurative hold on the nutsack of the front office, we don't want to take any chances that he might decide to squeeze even harder than he already has."

In our view, this Mother's Day missive is a desperate act from an organization that is facing a revolt from its fan base. And we're even more convinced that either Favre or Thompson will be not with the team come September. Given that the franchise is publicly owned, we wouldn't be surprised if someone were to file a shareholder's action aimed at forcing the team to have the same kind of accountability that would exist if there was a real owner calling the shots.

For his part, Favre is trying to help put out the fire. The post on his official site regarding rumors of Favre wanting a trade, which were confirmed by board administrator "DavidPHX," has been deleted. And DavidPHX has posted the following message: "Brett has asked that we all tone down the articles and any dislikes for management. He does not want his site to fuel rumors. Ted Thompson is his boss and we need to tone everything down. I believe the situation is over with. Brett vented said what he wanted and I believe management has heard. Brett loves the Green Bay Packers and has always felt we have the best fans in the WORLD . I expect Brett to return as the starting QB for the Green Bay Packers on September 9. Go Packers!"

Still, Favre is the one who has started this mess, both by privately asking to be traded and by publicly making his displeasure known. It's a storm of unprecedented proportion for the Packers, and we don't think the situation is going to get better any time soon. The only person to benefit from this brouhaha might be receiver Keyshawn Johnson, who could end up getting a lucrative offer to join the team in light of the fact that he's the only potential impact player who is on the market right now.

pft.com

[mraynrand]

This whole thing reeks.

1) The price for Moss was so low that it's hard to believe that money or draft picks made the difference

2) Why do Packer fans want this shit stain on their team in the first place?

3) If Favre is pulling the 'I want to be traded' bullshit (IF) then he can go rot too - UNLESS TT is playing some left-handed game of trying to get rid of Favre.

I prefer the simple story. TT is building his team his way. He offered what he thought Moss was worth. Moss went to greener pastures (better chance at a Superbowl. Favre is throwing a temper tantrum.

Face facts. Favre is nowhere as good as he used to be - not even as good as he was in 2004. Moss wouldn't have gotten GB anywhere near a Superbowl this year - and the chances were just as likely that he would have caused some off-field (or on-field) problem that was impossible to deal with.

I'm more inclined to think that TT NEVER wanted Moss and only pursed him to placate Favre. But how do I know what TT has in mind?

My final take is this: I think the Packers have a much better chance of getting further in the Playoffs due to the emergence of guys they already have on the squad. For example, the running game could come on like gangbusters; the run defense could be stifling, setting up lots of third and longs - getting the ball back with better field position and more offensive series per game. Special teams should be vastly improved with the depth they have. Moss may have given them a couple of TDs and a lot of headaches, but so what?

FAVRE SHOULD JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!

[Lurker64]

I think everyone, Ted Thompson, Brett Favre, Packer fans, Fox Sports, etc., should just go outside and enjoy the weather and think about something other than football for a couple of days. Then when heads have cooled, we can come back and discuss what did or didn't happen without making anything worse by doing so.

[RashanGary]

Nice post mraynrand. Very well said and grounded in common sense.

[RashanGary]

I think everyone, Ted Thompson, Brett Favre, Packer fans, Fox Sports, etc., should just go outside and enjoy the weather and think about something other than football for a couple of days. Then when heads have cooled, we can come back and discuss what did or didn't happen without making anything worse by doing so.

Not gonna happen

I did hit 9 holes today and went out to breakfast with my wife and son. This is drama that only the King of Drama Queens could scheme up and it's my team so I'm gonna be here more than I care to I think