Favre asked to be traded

[digitaldean]

This whole thing reeks.

I'm more inclined to think that TT NEVER wanted Moss and only pursed him to placate Favre. But how do I know what TT has in mind?

My final take is this: I think the Packers have a much better chance of getting further in the Playoffs due to the emergence of guys they already have on the squad. For example, the running game could come on like gangbusters; the run defense could be stifling, setting up lots of third and longs - getting the ball back with better field position and more offensive series per game. Special teams should be vastly improved with the depth they have. Moss may have given them a couple of TDs and a lot of headaches, but so what?

I agree with your reasoning, but it seems a lot of ego stroking for nothing. Though Wolf made some bonehead draft picks, if he truly wanted a free agent he went out and got him.

This pussyfooting around with the Raiders and offering a 5th pick did make it seem like he wanted put on the appearance he tried to get Moss. (I personally wasn't in favor of getting Moss because of his past track record off the field. But that's not the point.) If you truly do want a player in a trade, then pull the trigger and get it done. If not, then don't play brinksmanship on it.

I understand Favre's frustrations because he will now have to deal with some rookie receivers and get timing down with them. He even stated he won't be here in 5 years.

I still think this team can do well, but it will need to win games with a 13-10 score instead of the 31-28 variety. Since this fire appears to be put out, let's just move forward.

The only thing we could hope for is someone coming available after the June 1 cuts. But I wouldn't bank on it.

One things for sure, if the Packers get off to a slow start. The proverbial mob will be closing in on 1265 to figuratively stretch a "turtleneck". (Sorry B, had to throw that one in there. )

[Bretsky]

Maybe I misread something, but I read that TT only offered a 5th and then NE swooped in with a better offer ??

No, that's what you wanted to hear.

Do you need sources on this or will you ignore them as well because if you didn't read this then you are ignoring the articles

[PackerBlues]

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

[packinpatland]

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

For a rookie you're not bad.

[pbmax]

Wrong on the facts PackerBlues. I can't speak for everyone here that doesn't agree with you, but I am fully aware of the articles saying the Packers offered a fifth and the Patriots then offered a fourth.

I also know, from other articles that the Packers wanted a two year contract.

I know (from Favre) that Moss demanded guaranteed money from the Pack but not the Patriots.

And Silverstein and Wilde had the Packers negotiating all day but not getting to make a counter offer after the Patriots offered the fourth.

And I know that all the first reports about the Packers interest in Moss had them originally offering a fourth.

So neither you, I, Bretsky, Favre or Silverstein have the complete picture.

Moss was bad idea for a fourth or a fifth, no matter the price IMHO.

But perhaps you should turn your mind to Favre's assertion about the guaranteed money. If Randy wanted it from the Pack but not the Patriots, doesn't that tell you he would have rather played for the Patriots?

That he's purely a mercenary?

Or that the Packers were a stalking horse all along?

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

[PackerBlues]

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

For a rookie you're not bad.

Thanks, although I am a bit upset with myself and more than a little ashamed of myself for letting certain people get under my skin with their negative comments about Favre. It seems like I could post all the stats I can find, quote actual written articles and still wind up reading nonsense from guys that ignore all of it.
Very frustrating, and I am sorry.

[packinpatland]

Wrong on the facts PackerBlues. I can't speak for everyone here that doesn't agree with you, but I am fully aware of the articles saying the Packers offered a fifth and the Patriots then offered a fourth.

I also know, from other articles that the Packers wanted a two year contract.

I know (from Favre) that Moss demanded guaranteed money from the Pack but not the Patriots.

And Silverstein and Wilde had the Packers negotiating all day but not getting to make a counter offer after the Patriots offered the fourth.

And I know that all the first reports about the Packers interest in Moss had them originally offering a fourth.
So neither you, I, Bretsky, Favre or Silverstein have the complete picture.

Moss was bad idea for a fourth or a fifth, no matter the price IMHO.

But perhaps you should turn your mind to Favre's assertion about the guaranteed money. If Randy wanted it from the Pack but not the Patriots, doesn't that tell you he would have rather played for the Patriots?

That he's purely a mercenary?

Or that the Packers were a stalking horse all along?

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

Quoting sources doesn't hold much credence anymore. I do believe there are alot of reporters out there that would absolutely sell their souls
for the money or the fifteen minutes'

[BallHawk]

Quoting sources doesn't hold much credence anymore. I do believe there are alot of reporters out there that would absolutely sell their souls
for the money or the fifteen minutes'

You're absolutely correct. The media is nothing now. Boston Globe, ESPN, JSO, they're all tools to get attention. It's hard to know what to believe.

[pbmax]

Perhaps, packinpatland. But until more verifiable and better information comes around, we work with what we have.

And I prefer people who stake a professional reputation on the line to the commentators who prefer to impugn motives, guess about "frantic" phone calls or otherwise attempt to read minds.

Wrong on the facts PackerBlues. I can't speak for everyone here that doesn't agree with you, but I am fully aware of the articles saying the Packers offered a fifth and the Patriots then offered a fourth.

I also know, from other articles that the Packers wanted a two year contract.

I know (from Favre) that Moss demanded guaranteed money from the Pack but not the Patriots.

And Silverstein and Wilde had the Packers negotiating all day but not getting to make a counter offer after the Patriots offered the fourth.

And I know that all the first reports about the Packers interest in Moss had them originally offering a fourth.
So neither you, I, Bretsky, Favre or Silverstein have the complete picture.

Moss was bad idea for a fourth or a fifth, no matter the price IMHO.

But perhaps you should turn your mind to Favre's assertion about the guaranteed money. If Randy wanted it from the Pack but not the Patriots, doesn't that tell you he would have rather played for the Patriots?

That he's purely a mercenary?

Or that the Packers were a stalking horse all along?

There seems to be a select few here that ignore stats and references to actual articles that have been written and quoted. Instead they choose to make things up or read into what somebody says to try to get their warped point across. The most recent that comes to mind is the people that are quoting Favre as saying that he had no help on offense. I do not recall reading any such statement from Favre at all. He did say that the Packers could have gotten Moss for cheap. He said that in his opinion Moss would be a welcome addition. But he never once cut down anyone on the team. Favre said imagine a 3 wide reciever set with Driver, Moss, and Jennings. Imagine how hard it would be for any defense to defend against that. How in the hell anyone gets "Favre said his guys suck" out of that, I have no idea, but its the kind of backwards crap I am learning to expect from these guys that pay so little attention to what has actually been said, written, or quoted.

Quoting sources doesn't hold much credence anymore. I do believe there are alot of reporters out there that would absolutely sell their souls
for the money or the fifteen minutes'

[packinpatland]

What's a professional reputation worth these days?

[BallHawk]

What's a personal reputation worth these days?

Not much.

[FritzDontBlitz]

so, if favre DOES end up being traded, will tt STILL insist he's not rebuilding?

this is starting to remind me of jerry krause and the chicago bulls at the end of the jordan era: same arrogant leadership mentality oozing out of the front office.....

[BallHawk]

so, if favre DOES end up being traded, will tt STILL insist he's not rebuilding?

If you're a GM you never say you're rebuilding. It's called "planning for the future" or "surround ourselves with young talent." However, you never use the "r" word.

[FritzDontBlitz]

so, if favre DOES end up being traded, will tt STILL insist he's not rebuilding?

If you're a GM you never say you're rebuilding. It's called "planning for the future" or "surround ourselves with young talent." However, you never use the "r" word.

i know. its called "lying." but, you could at least be honest with the players?

regardless of how this shakes out, this could have already derailed the season before it even starts. stuff like this tends to linger, ya know?

[b bulldog]

iT IS CALLED gm SPEAK