Vick goes to court today....

[Harlan Huckleby]

What do you suppose Vick's motivations were in going along with this dog-fighting operation? I can't imagine it was for money, he had a guaranteed fortune. More likely it was out of loyalty to some idiotic friends from his days in the hood.

everybody wants to see him punished, but how much vengeance is enough?

Vick is going to suffer a greater penalty for this crime than any other person, past or probably future. It's costing him many millions, his reputation for life. Not to mention a prison sentence.

I won't be too shocked to see Vick get another crack at the NFL down the road. I'd prefer to see Vick retire and fade away. But if Vick is made destitute by this affair, the NFL would be on shakey ground morally and legally in preventing him from working again.

[GrnBay007]

Vick is going to suffer a greater penalty for this crime than any other person, past or probably future. It's costing him many millions, his reputation for life. Not to mention a prison sentence.

All that goes along with being a superstar.

It's up to every individual to protect their reputation.

[Scott Campbell]

Hadn't thought of it that way. How's a guy supposed to scrape by on the pitiful $30M or whatever it is that he's made thus far in his career?

[Rastak]

What do you suppose Vick's motivations were in going along with this dog-fighting operation? I can't imagine it was for money, he had a guaranteed fortune. More likely it was out of loyalty to some idiotic friends from his days in the hood.

everybody wants to see him punished, but how much vengeance is enough?

Vick is going to suffer a greater penalty for this crime than any other person, past or probably future. It's costing him many millions, his reputation for life. Not to mention a prison sentence.

I won't be too shocked to see Vick get another crack at the NFL down the road. I'd prefer to see Vick retire and fade away. But if Vick is made destitute by this affair, the NFL would be on shakey ground morally and legally in preventing him from working again.

Maybe he's an asshole HH? Maybe he liked it? Either way it isn;t relevent. Vengeance should be pretty much what it should be. Jail for 16 months, and playing football in league other than the NFL.

It's called what you reap what you sow. Run an illegal dog fighting operation and an interstate gambling ring and you get fucked. DUH.

Don't tell me mr asshole didn;t know about it, he's got the other three pricks clearly stating he financed the damn thing. Loyalty? Homey don't think so. I read an article where a potential agent was trying to track him down when he was at VT and the agent was told he's off fighting them damn dogs in the woods. I'd have to search to find that story but I'm not lying, I read it.


HH, do you think people that do evil things are a-ok and maybe we should give them a stren lecture and let the go? Playing in the NFL is NOT a right.

Adios Vick.

[Scott Campbell]

Vick is going to suffer a greater penalty for this crime than any other person, past or probably future. It's costing him many millions, his reputation for life. Not to mention a prison sentence.

All that goes along with being a superstar.

It's up to every individual to protect their reputation.

Howard Cosell was run out of his profession for saying something like "look at the little monkey run". Vick is not the first public figure to fall from grace. And he won't be the last. And he's certainly not the most villified of all time.

[Harlan Huckleby]

HH, do you think people that do evil things are a-ok and maybe we should give them a stren lecture and let the go?

Going to prison is not a stern lecture.

This situation is going to look very different in two years.

One factor that works against Vick returning to NFL is the position he plays. What team is gonna want to build a franchise around him?

But maybe he plays again as a bargain backup. Again, I prefer to see him retired.

[GrnBay007]

This situation is going to look very different in two years.

How so?

I'm hoping it provides a valuable lesson to others who are tempted to dive into that sick world!!

[Scott Campbell]

Among other things, he's accused of torturing and killing wounded defenseless dogs. The descriptions are positively bone chilling. Electrecution. Drowning. Hanging.

This isn't some 11 year old kid picking off birds with a bb gun. He'll get no pity from me if he's guilty.

Harlan, I think you need to go find somebody else to feel bad for.

[Harlan Huckleby]

America is the land of second chances.

[Harlan Huckleby]

SC, I feel bad for Vick only in the sense that it's a tragedy. I feel sorry for child molestors, for that matter.



He may have been personally involved in the behaviors you site. Then again, maybe not, we really don't know everythign yet. He's at least a damn fool, probably an asshole, and maybe a real nasty dude.

[Scott Campbell]

I feel sorry for child molestors.........

I'm no Mother Theresa. I can't get beyond feeling sorry for the kids.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Obviously it's horrible for the kids. But the guys doing the shit are pretty sad cases too.

[Rastak]

America is the land of second chances.

I'm sure he'll enjoy his second chance in the arena league.....that's what happens when you are an asshole who could care less about right and wrong. There's his second chance. Playing in the NFL is NOT a priveledge any more than working at IBM or 3M or any other major corporation.


If you are a dumbass and get your dumbass self booted out of one company go find another. If it doesn't pay as well, then I guess you are a dumbass for getting your dumbass self kicked out of the one that paid well.

Enjoy your lower paying job and keep your dumbass self out of trouble or next time you'll get more than the 16 months I bet he gets.

[GBRulz]

Sorry 007, but I think it's going to be the centerpiece. These players are prohibited from gambling as part of their contract to play in the NFL. It's legal for you and me, not these guys.

They are prohibited from sports betting...which is illegal for people like us too unless you are in vegas....heck, even office pools/superbowl boards/world series boards are illegal for people like us if the amount won is great enough....depending on the State I'm sure.

They aren't prohibited from legal gambling (minus sports) in just say, Vegas, are they? That was what I was talking about when I made the comment on there being other avenues for gambling......if gambling was their main intent.

007, they are not prohibited from legal gambling, (minus sports betting) like you said. At least I wouldn't think so because I always see players at the casino's here.

[Rastak]

I think running an illegal interstate gambling ring that violates RICO laws is frowned upon.