Roster rehab, creative coaching lead to Packers' turnaround

[Deputy Nutz]

Yes he can, but he cannot call me stupid for having a differing opinion. What you just said is exactly the point I want him to understand. He has no idea what happened any more than anyone else. Criticize if he wants, but don't call those who disagree on the same information ignorant because if he does, I for one will want to be enlightened.

....and nobody has called him stupid for his views?? It has gone both ways for months and months and months.....maybe time to let it go. Why continue this battle? We are all Packer fans obviously....some people have different opinions.......and that's ok....even in real life....really!!

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I know you Bret, and this isn't how you really feel.

[b bulldog]

What the hell ios going on with all of you???? We lose a game and all of this breaks out. I love to stir things up some and I try to be very relistic on the Pack but we are all on the same side here.

[Bretsky]

Yes he can, but he cannot call me stupid for having a differing opinion. What you just said is exactly the point I want him to understand. He has no idea what happened any more than anyone else. Criticize if he wants, but don't call those who disagree on the same information ignorant because if he does, I for one will want to be enlightened.

....and nobody has called him stupid for his views?? It has gone both ways for months and months and months.....maybe time to let it go. Why continue this battle? We are all Packer fans obviously....some people have different opinions.......and that's ok....even in real life....really!!

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I know you Bret, and this isn't how you really feel.

I think it is Xmas and we should all let the bad thoughts go. It's gone both ways over and over. Regardless of who was right or wrong, I've noticed JH and RG seems to have put things behind and show no ill will on the forum. They serve as a good example.

[Deputy Nutz]

JustinHarrell Will never be a good example on this forum.

[b bulldog]

What about me, I'm a good example

[Deputy Nutz]

What about me, I'm a good example

watch yourself....

[b bulldog]

You curse too much but I enjoy your posts

[Deputy Nutz]

You curse too much but I enjoy your posts

I have actually gotten better with the cursing!!! I swear that I have!

[Bretsky]

You curse too much but I enjoy your posts

I have actually gotten better with the cursing!!! I swear that I have!

I think you have as well; Nuts is a really cool sh@t if you meet him in person.
Dude can drink too.

Cheers,
B

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok, the sad thing is I read JH's post, I was disgusted mostly, but anyways. It got me thinking, I usually think Woodbuck is off the wall, but a nice enough guy, so he refuses to see or understand the effects of Ted Thompson, so what.

I am done with the bullshit.

[MJZiggy]

Yes he can, but he cannot call me stupid for having a differing opinion. What you just said is exactly the point I want him to understand. He has no idea what happened any more than anyone else. Criticize if he wants, but don't call those who disagree on the same information ignorant because if he does, I for one will want to be enlightened.

....and nobody has called him stupid for his views?? It has gone both ways for months and months and months.....maybe time to let it go. Why continue this battle? We are all Packer fans obviously....some people have different opinions.......and that's ok....even in real life....really!!

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Just for the record, while you're clapping and applauding that somebody has called Woody stupid in the past, I'd like to point out that it wasn't me--even though our friend on quite a number of occasions including in this thread has suggested that I personally lack intelligence because I questioned his take on the facts. I haven't called him stupid, nor do I call anyone else around here names and I don't feel I should be criticized for defending myself against his attacks on my intelligence. I'm with Nutz. I'm done with this crap. And for the record, he still hasn't answered my question. The one that in no way ever questioned his intelligence or suggested that he wise up to anything I tell him to believe.

[Carolina_Packer]

If you want to pick nits with the GM at 12-3, go ahead. You might be on a small island by yourself. Having Randy Moss on our team may not have brought one more win than we already have to date, and that's the bottom line...wins.

Is making this argument so constantly and with such animosity so important to you and your position? A few months ago there was a discussion about someone here not acting very Christian-like. How does carrying on like this look for being Christian, Mr. Woodbuck?

When do you just let bygones be bygones and not carry on your arguments ad nauseum? The Pack is 12-3, going to the playoffs as a #2 seed, and probably would have anyway, as our chances of being #1 were slim anyway. Why can't you just show some happiness about where the team is, and give credit to those who made that possible? Instead, you just have to maintain an argument for argument's sake. Where is that getting you? How does that make you look like a positive fan?

[FritzDontBlitz]

Fascinating stuff, kids. I've let a few responses get under my skin from time to time as well, so I kinda understand. I also think some of the hostility brewing in this thread is due to the way the Packers lost to their most hated rival today. But, having said all that I do agree that its a dead issue wasting time arguing the "what ifs" about Randy Moss. I was hot for Moss too. We wanted him. We didn't get him. End of story.

There is plenty of evidence on display to show TT is doing a good job as GM and deserves a little credit for the direction the team is heading in. 4-12 to 8-8 to 12-3 records. A no-nonsense head coach who turns the youngest team in the league into the 2nd best team in the NFC in just his second year. Ryan Grant. Greg Jennings. AJ Hawk. Charles Woodson. James Jones. The resurgence of Brett Favre. Hanging on to Blackmon when other GM's might have given up on him. Keeping 11 defensive linemen on the roster on opening day. The way he uses the IR list to rehab young, promising players like Brady Poppinga and Deshawn Wynn to give them more time to grow into the players he brought them in to be. These are the moves from someone who has a good idea how he wants his team to look, and although its still a work in progress it does seem that the plan is working, at least to me. None of us were expecting a playoff team in 2007, much less a team that was 2 games away from a possible #1 seed come Christmas time.

I am satisfied with the job TT is doing, even though some refuse to give him any credit for anything. I won't waste time debating the "should haves" and "what ifs." I will just savor the hope he has brought for the future of this franchise as we come to the close of a totally unexpected thrill ride of a season.

Merry Christmas, kids. And play nice, OK?

[RashanGary]

Not to turn this into a Woodbuck love fest, but I really like his confidence to stand up for his opinions. I esspecially liek that he does it without really jabbing hard at people. He has his ways, but until tonight, they are mostly fun and acctually quite observant and clever at times. There were times where he called me out in Woodbuck fashion, calling me sunny or telling me to get off my high horse and I just read it and laughed because he hit the nail right on the head and it was funny because the quality, whatever it was (I forget) was very human and things that are stereotypical are funny to me. They're even funnier when I'm caught doing them because I'm supposed to be aware. I didn't get all pissed, I just laughed because I know he knew and he knew I knew he knew.

Seems like this thread was just people trying to get (what seems obvious) pounded into Woody's head and in the process Woodbuck got offended and then started tossing some of his first pissed off come backs that acctually were a little edged. That's not typical Woodbuck though. I do think that some of the aggressiveness that people use toward Woodbuck is misplaced (meant for other TT haters who were rude ass holes for months and months). Woodbuck is one of the few Anti Ted guys left, but he wasn't one of the belittling, insulting ones and I think sometimes that is forgotten and all of the bad qualities that came from the anti TT crowd get bunched on one of the decent members who's still standing.

[Tarlam!]

So if I held a mirror up to you by attacking you back, you needn't have been shocked or surprised. But, this is the last post I will direct at you or anything you post. You are cyber-dead to me, Woody.

I am through with you.


EDITED: The original post, though honest, was likely offensive to other posters. Out of respect to those posters, I withdraw those comments and leave it this. My apologies to those posters that might have been offended by my original post.