THIS is who ICE throws out of the country first?

[GoPackGo]

The problem of illegals, Mexican and otherwise, is greatly overrated. I'm NOT in favor of amnesty a.k.a. a pathway to legality/citizenship. Also, I AM in favor of a fence, combined with increased Border Patrol to take control of our border. I even am in favor of immediately sending back any illegals lawfully arrested for other crimes.

However, the great majority of Mexicans, as well as possibly an even greater majority of miscellaneous other illegals in this country are NOT evildoers. They are, in fact, people who are probably MORE appreciative of the wonderful American Way of life--both in terms of freedom and in terms of comforts/prosperity--than a lot of Americans whose roots are here for generations. I say that from first hand knowledge, being much closer to the "problem" here in Texas than folks up in Wisconsin. I have regular contact with illegals, and I will testify that most of them are decent normal people.

The best course of action from a strictly American point of view, other than taking control of the border inflow, would be to leave well enough alone. Don't make them legal, as then, they would be lost as a source of cheap labor--which for squeamish liberals, is still a much better way of life than they would have at home. And absolutely, don't round them up and ship them home, as not only would that take away the cheap labor supply, but it would turn mostly decent law-abiding (other than their illegal entry) people into fugitives and possibly dangerous insurgents.

And for those who worry about terrorists or whatever infiltrating illegals crossing the border, don't! What do you think would happen if a group of illegals found, for example, a Muslim terrorist in their midst? Well, you know Mexicans and their knives ....... Until the fence is in place, those illegals ARE our border security.

I think this is a really great post Texas.
I do have a couple of problems with it though.
What about the illegal that is driving on the road and gets into an accident with property damage and/or injuries? if you have liability only insurance I guess you are SOL when your car gets totaled? What if the illegal gets injured? They need to get medical care but who pays for it? I live in Phoenix so like you I do have contact with immigrants. I know there are alot of good ones, but there are alot of repeat criminals too.
Saying that we can trust the mexicans as our border security to stop muslims is irresponsible.
How can you trust John McCain to fix the border situation? He's been elected senator in Arizona four times. I have never heard of him speaking strongly on this issue and I haven't seen him do anything about the problem here. I have a big problem with that.

[BallHawk]

I don't know where they ended up--SportsBubbler or otherwise. I'd like to get them here too.

Man, SportsBubbler is an absolute joke. That site is just so horribly run it's funny.

[texaspackerbacker]

GPG, agreed, those things could be a problem. However, wouldn't you agree that those things could just as well occur with uninsured people other than illegals?

I only brought up the example of illegals dealing with a terrorist infiltrator to point out which side I believe these illegals are on. I really don't think that method of terrorist entry is very likely. Just the same, it does validate the need for a fence as part of a comprehensive means of controlling the border--which brings us to McCain.

He is committed to completing the fence, etc. in a timely way. The guy has a longstanding reputation for straight talk. I know, I know, he's a politician with his mouth moving. But the chances of his finishing the job are a helluva lot better than the alternatives.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He is committed to completing the fence, etc. in a timely way.

this border fence will NEVER be built for a variety of reasons. People who study problem know that it is money poured down the drain. Smugglers would get illegals in the country even with a fence. Politicians keep talking about this fence because it sounds like appealling, simple fix. They are pandering.

The first step to deal with illegal imigration is to have a national identity card. You can't begin to deal with illegals when it is easy to forge identity.

[Kiwon]

Back to the issue....

If the status of these two doesn't change, I hope that ICE at least would allow the UWM student to finish her education.

Tough situation..........

[Gunakor]

Back to the issue....

If the status of these two doesn't change, I hope that ICE at least would allow the UWM student to finish her education.

Tough situation..........

They would be morally justified in allowing her to finish her education, but it probably won't happen. Today's America seems more interested in the letter of the law than the spirit of the law. Immigration laws were not created to keep people like Tope Awe out of the country. She was raised as an American, brought up with American values and abides by American law. If she has a job then she is likely paying American taxes too. From a cultural and lifestyle standpoint she's just as American as the rest of us. She is not a criminal, yet she is being treated like one. The least our government could do is allow her the ability to go through the legal process of becoming an American citizen rather than just say "You are being deported" and fly her out of the country.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

[Deputy Nutz]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

I know you are not talking about me because I am a fence rider.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

I know you are not talking about me because I am a fence rider.

Why you bringing up your sexual peccadilloes into a discussion on immigration?

[Deputy Nutz]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

I know you are not talking about me because I am a fence rider.

Why you bringing up your sexual peccadilloes into a discussion on immigration?

I was talking politics, sometimes you can be so immature.

[Gunakor]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

A conservative mind would argue that illegal is illegal and by the letter of the law she is in violation of immigration laws and must be deported. A sensible mind would argue that she is no threat to America or its citizens or its way of life - a potential asset as a matter of fact - and use thier better judgement in determining whether she can stay or has to leave. I would hope that no liberal activist judge would need to intercede to keep her here. The Reps that made the call to deport her should have considered threat on thier own. They shouldn't need someone else to show them that this girl is of no threat to that which ICE is supposed to protect.

Sure, this makes perfect sense under the letter of the law. But the law was not created to rid the country of tax paying, law abiding students. It was created to get rid of delinquents, criminals, enemies of the United States. Tope Awe exemplifies American values, so her deportation makes no sense under the SPIRIT of the law. I know, that would require a little bit of judgement. But this isn't a marginal issue at all - she's absolutely, 100% sure about this, absolutely no threat to America should they allow her to go through the legal immigration process to become an American citizen.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

I know you are not talking about me because I am a fence rider.

Why you bringing up your sexual peccadilloes into a discussion on immigration?

I was talking politics, sometimes you can be so immature.

I knew what you were referring too..hence the joke since the post wasn't directed at you.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

A conservative mind would argue that illegal is illegal and by the letter of the law she is in violation of immigration laws and must be deported. A sensible mind would argue that she is no threat to America or its citizens or its way of life - a potential asset as a matter of fact - and use thier better judgement in determining whether she can stay or has to leave. I would hope that no liberal activist judge would need to intercede to keep her here. The Reps that made the call to deport her should have considered threat on thier own. They shouldn't need someone else to show them that this girl is of no threat to that which ICE is supposed to protect.

Sure, this makes perfect sense under the letter of the law. But the law was not created to rid the country of tax paying, law abiding students. It was created to get rid of delinquents, criminals, enemies of the United States. Tope Awe exemplifies American values, so her deportation makes no sense under the SPIRIT of the law. I know, that would require a little bit of judgement. But this isn't a marginal issue at all - she's absolutely, 100% sure about this, absolutely no threat to America should they allow her to go through the legal immigration process to become an American citizen.

Gunakor..i totally agree. But, that was the point. We now find conservatives that are shocked and would like this person to remain.

Conservatives are monolothic..at least the human ones..can't speak about Tex.

The point is that when it suits them they want the spirit, not the letter. This is a case of that.

I have respect for Numb who at least posts..the law is the law. That is a defensible position. I have no respect for those who decry liberal actavist judges and then cry about trajedies like this young girl.

[Gunakor]

I find it hilarious when conservatives start complaining about how unfair it is that this kid will be sent back.

Guess you would want some of the liberal "activist" judges to intercede.

A conservative mind would argue that illegal is illegal and by the letter of the law she is in violation of immigration laws and must be deported. A sensible mind would argue that she is no threat to America or its citizens or its way of life - a potential asset as a matter of fact - and use thier better judgement in determining whether she can stay or has to leave. I would hope that no liberal activist judge would need to intercede to keep her here. The Reps that made the call to deport her should have considered threat on thier own. They shouldn't need someone else to show them that this girl is of no threat to that which ICE is supposed to protect.

Sure, this makes perfect sense under the letter of the law. But the law was not created to rid the country of tax paying, law abiding students. It was created to get rid of delinquents, criminals, enemies of the United States. Tope Awe exemplifies American values, so her deportation makes no sense under the SPIRIT of the law. I know, that would require a little bit of judgement. But this isn't a marginal issue at all - she's absolutely, 100% sure about this, absolutely no threat to America should they allow her to go through the legal immigration process to become an American citizen.

Gunakor..i totally agree. But, that was the point. We now find conservatives that are shocked and would like this person to remain.

Conservatives are monolothic..at least the human ones..can't speak about Tex.

The point is that when it suits them they want the spirit, not the letter. This is a case of that.

I have respect for Numb who at least posts..the law is the law. That is a defensible position. I have no respect for those who decry liberal actavist judges and then cry about trajedies like this young girl.

My apologies then for misinterpreting what you said.

[swede]

Gunakor..i totally agree. But, that was the point. We now find conservatives that are shocked and would like this person to remain.

Conservatives are monolothic..at least the human ones..can't speak about Tex.

The point is that when it suits them they want the spirit, not the letter. This is a case of that.

I have respect for Numb who at least posts..the law is the law. That is a defensible position. I have no respect for those who decry liberal actavist judges and then cry about trajedies like this young girl.

My point, in the comment on the original post, is to question the inactivity of our state's senators. Taking sides in this case would seem to be the right thing to do. Activist judges are welcome to help out here as well. So far we haven't heard from them either.

One can easily say that the writing or enforcement of immigration law is a conservative thing, and not a liberal thing. And come to think of it, I wish you would. Immigration issues are evolving, and so the law must evolve. Harlan is fond of saying a fence will not help keep out illegal immigrants. In a way he is right. It will keep out the illegal immigrants that create a nuisance for border communities. It won't help with overstayed visas I suppose, a more typical entree for an illegal.

I really do wonder at the underlying issue with ICE that makes their officers act like pissed-off DMV clerks instead of professionals with some discretion in the actions they take.

I will now predict the responses.

First the Crackhead...got it. That was easy.

Now Blue Dawg...always a little harder...okay there it is.