THIS is who ICE throws out of the country first?

[falco]

Tyrone, I don't know how old you are (I suspect fairly young). I don't even know for sure you are black (but that at least is your forum persona).

Some of us are old enough to have been around back in the pre-civil rights era. I was a kid in Wisconsin back then, although I did travel through the south a couple of times. There are a lot of older generation blacks who remember that time who quietly lament the transformation of their situation and the attitudes and behavior of their subsequent generations as a result of a movement that was essentially promoted by a bunch of Hillary Clinton-types.

Granted, the time may come when the black population again achieves normalcy--this time in the context of equality and racial harmony. But it hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen until they stop being the pawns of the liberals and the Democrat Party. A lot of blacks are achieving success in the "white" system, and how are they perceived by liberal opinion leaders of the black population? This is not a rhetorical question. I'd like to hear what you have to say--considering the way they disrespect Condoleeza Rice. other successful blacks in conservative politics and business, even Bob Johnson, who is anything but a conservative.

TPB, I understand what you're trying to say - I detest people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for their tactics, racism, and corruption. I would agree there are elements in the Democratic party that abuse minorities. I am not a fan of either political party.

But to imply on any level that Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s was not one of the greatest transformation in our nation is wrong on every level. There is a big difference between "lamenting" the "attitudes and behavior of their subsequent generations" and wanting to turn back the hands of time to that era.

[texaspackerbacker]

Falco, I'm comparing the blues and Nat King Cole to hip hop and gangsta rap.

I'm comparing Willie Mays and Hank Aaron to Barry Bonds, Randy Moss, and a bunch of others.

I'm comparing a peaceful lifestyle of decency, morality, and Christian values to Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, etc.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Falco, I'm comparing the blues and Nat King Cole to hip hop and gangsta rap.

I'm comparing Willie Mays and Hank Aaron to Barry Bonds, Randy Moss, and a bunch of others.

I'm comparing a peaceful lifestyle of decency, morality, and Christian values to Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, etc.

Draw your own conclusions.

Jesse Jackson, wright and other religious leaders aren't part of the hip hop nation.

however, you are basically saying that any black agitator is bad.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone, I don't know how old you are (I suspect fairly young). I don't even know for sure you are black (but that at least is your forum persona).

Some of us are old enough to have been around back in the pre-civil rights era. I was a kid in Wisconsin back then, although I did travel through the south a couple of times. There are a lot of older generation blacks who remember that time who quietly lament the transformation of their situation and the attitudes and behavior of their subsequent generations as a result of a movement that was essentially promoted by a bunch of Hillary Clinton-types.

Granted, the time may come when the black population again achieves normalcy--this time in the context of equality and racial harmony. But it hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen until they stop being the pawns of the liberals and the Democrat Party. A lot of blacks are achieving success in the "white" system, and how are they perceived by liberal opinion leaders of the black population? This is not a rhetorical question. I'd like to hear what you have to say--considering the way they disrespect Condoleeza Rice. other successful blacks in conservative politics and business, even Bob Johnson, who is anything but a conservative.

WHile there are older black folks who definitely lament the current hip hop culture..and the violence of today's society....they aren't lamenting a return to pre civil rights america.


You pose it as an either or...as if you can't have one without the other.

I suppose you and other older whites are just as unhappy since Elvis started with his coon music and got all the white kids riled up.

[GoPackGo]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Tyrone, I don't know how old you are (I suspect fairly young). I don't even know for sure you are black (but that at least is your forum persona).

Some of us are old enough to have been around back in the pre-civil rights era. I was a kid in Wisconsin back then, although I did travel through the south a couple of times. There are a lot of older generation blacks who remember that time who quietly lament the transformation of their situation and the attitudes and behavior of their subsequent generations as a result of a movement that was essentially promoted by a bunch of Hillary Clinton-types.

Granted, the time may come when the black population again achieves normalcy--this time in the context of equality and racial harmony. But it hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen until they stop being the pawns of the liberals and the Democrat Party. A lot of blacks are achieving success in the "white" system, and how are they perceived by liberal opinion leaders of the black population? This is not a rhetorical question. I'd like to hear what you have to say--considering the way they disrespect Condoleeza Rice. other successful blacks in conservative politics and business, even Bob Johnson, who is anything but a conservative.

WHile there are older black folks who definitely lament the current hip hop culture..and the violence of today's society....they aren't lamenting a return to pre civil rights america.


You pose it as an either or...as if you can't have one without the other.

I suppose you and other older whites are just as unhappy since Elvis started with his coon music and got all the white kids riled up.

You know the thing I regret most about getting old? I have the same ideas I've always had, but now they are perceived as the ideas of the old. Back in the days when people used YOUR term, "coon", black music was pretty nice. IMO, it has turned to crap right along with most white music in the same time frame. That, however, is mere opinion--personal preference.

The DEVASTATION to both black and white cultures is NOT mere opinion. It is solid fact--from homicides down to much less serious negative aspects. And WHO is to blame? It is those who have promoted the whole movement--LIBERALS--chiefly white liberals, but the black "overseers of the LIBERAL plantation" like Jesse Jackson are to blame also.

The music is just symbolic--a fairly trivial factor. It is the horrible transformation of attitudes and behavior that is the real issue. Can you HONESTLY say that those are not horrendously worse for blacks compared to a generation or two ago--with a major spillover into white culture, attitude, and behavior too?

And it all goes back to LIBERAL cultural boat-rockers--in civil rights, but certainly not limited to the civil rights arena--basically trying to reshape America into a worse place.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone, I don't know how old you are (I suspect fairly young). I don't even know for sure you are black (but that at least is your forum persona).

Some of us are old enough to have been around back in the pre-civil rights era. I was a kid in Wisconsin back then, although I did travel through the south a couple of times. There are a lot of older generation blacks who remember that time who quietly lament the transformation of their situation and the attitudes and behavior of their subsequent generations as a result of a movement that was essentially promoted by a bunch of Hillary Clinton-types.

Granted, the time may come when the black population again achieves normalcy--this time in the context of equality and racial harmony. But it hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen until they stop being the pawns of the liberals and the Democrat Party. A lot of blacks are achieving success in the "white" system, and how are they perceived by liberal opinion leaders of the black population? This is not a rhetorical question. I'd like to hear what you have to say--considering the way they disrespect Condoleeza Rice. other successful blacks in conservative politics and business, even Bob Johnson, who is anything but a conservative.

WHile there are older black folks who definitely lament the current hip hop culture..and the violence of today's society....they aren't lamenting a return to pre civil rights america.


You pose it as an either or...as if you can't have one without the other.

I suppose you and other older whites are just as unhappy since Elvis started with his coon music and got all the white kids riled up.

You know the thing I regret most about getting old? I have the same ideas I've always had, but now they are perceived as the ideas of the old. Back in the days when people used YOUR term, "coon", black music was pretty nice. IMO, it has turned to crap right along with most white music in the same time frame. That, however, is mere opinion--personal preference.

The DEVASTATION to both black and white cultures is NOT mere opinion. It is solid fact--from homicides down to much less serious negative aspects. And WHO is to blame? It is those who have promoted the whole movement--LIBERALS--chiefly white liberals, but the black "overseers of the LIBERAL plantation" like Jesse Jackson are to blame also.

The music is just symbolic--a fairly trivial factor. It is the horrible transformation of attitudes and behavior that is the real issue. Can you HONESTLY say that those are not horrendously worse for blacks compared to a generation or two ago--with a major spillover into white culture, attitude, and behavior too?

And it all goes back to LIBERAL cultural boat-rockers--in civil rights, but certainly not limited to the civil rights arena--basically trying to reshape America into a worse place.

I agree. Let's all go back to a time when blacks weren't uppity and knew their place, Jews knew which neighborhoods to live in..and were restricted in the amount that could attend law/med school, women couldn't vote, women only worked as secretaries and school teachers (or hookers), blacks couldn't ride in the front of buses, drink from OUR water fountains, stay at our hotels.

[hoosier]

You know the thing I regret most about getting old? I have the same ideas I've always had, but now they are perceived as the ideas of the old. Back in the days when people used YOUR term, "coon", black music was pretty nice. IMO, it has turned to crap right along with most white music in the same time frame. That, however, is mere opinion--personal preference.

The DEVASTATION to both black and white cultures is NOT mere opinion. It is solid fact--from homicides down to much less serious negative aspects. And WHO is to blame? It is those who have promoted the whole movement--LIBERALS--chiefly white liberals, but the black "overseers of the LIBERAL plantation" like Jesse Jackson are to blame also.

The music is just symbolic--a fairly trivial factor. It is the horrible transformation of attitudes and behavior that is the real issue. Can you HONESTLY say that those are not horrendously worse for blacks compared to a generation or two ago--with a major spillover into white culture, attitude, and behavior too?

And it all goes back to LIBERAL cultural boat-rockers--in civil rights, but certainly not limited to the civil rights arena--basically trying to reshape America into a worse place.

Can you provide some kind of objective measure of this "devastation" that you're talking about? I'm suspicious by nature of everyone who comes preaching doom and gloom, the world's-going-to-hell scenarios, since if you read and know cultural history you'll know that things have been going down hill in the world damn well ever since the time of Plato. But let's look at US Justice Dept statistics on violent crime over the past half century: murder rates went from 4.5 per 100,000 in 1960 to a high of 10 per 100,000 in 1980, and then back down to 6 per 100,000 in 2005. Sounds more like fluctuation than apocalypse to me. The per capita number of black murders has been declining for the last 15 years. How exactly does these "solid facts" reflect "devastation"?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You know the thing I regret most about getting old? I have the same ideas I've always had, but now they are perceived as the ideas of the old. Back in the days when people used YOUR term, "coon", black music was pretty nice. IMO, it has turned to crap right along with most white music in the same time frame. That, however, is mere opinion--personal preference.

The DEVASTATION to both black and white cultures is NOT mere opinion. It is solid fact--from homicides down to much less serious negative aspects. And WHO is to blame? It is those who have promoted the whole movement--LIBERALS--chiefly white liberals, but the black "overseers of the LIBERAL plantation" like Jesse Jackson are to blame also.

The music is just symbolic--a fairly trivial factor. It is the horrible transformation of attitudes and behavior that is the real issue. Can you HONESTLY say that those are not horrendously worse for blacks compared to a generation or two ago--with a major spillover into white culture, attitude, and behavior too?

And it all goes back to LIBERAL cultural boat-rockers--in civil rights, but certainly not limited to the civil rights arena--basically trying to reshape America into a worse place.

Can you provide some kind of objective measure of this "devastation" that you're talking about? I'm suspicious by nature of everyone who comes preaching doom and gloom, the world's-going-to-hell scenarios, since if you read and know cultural history you'll know that things have been going down hill in the world damn well ever since the time of Plato. But let's look at US Justice Dept statistics on violent crime over the past half century: murder rates went from 4.5 per 100,000 in 1960 to a high of 10 per 100,000 in 1980, and then back down to 6 per 100,000 in 2005. Sounds more like fluctuation than apocalypse to me. The per capita number of black murders has been declining for the last 15 years. How exactly does these "solid facts" reflect "devastation"?

Conservative doom and gloom is real.

Liberal gloom and doom...global warming is just outright lies.

"Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts dont do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around"

[GoPackGo]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

The best Xmas gift anyone on this forum could get is a ninja attack on Partial at the Packerrats.com posters game in which all of Partials fingers are broken and he's left wearing his nose as an earring.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

The best Xmas gift anyone on this forum could get is a ninja attack on Partial at the Packerrats.com posters game in which all of Partials fingers are broken and he's left wearing his nose as an earring.

Sounds good. I'll take that on the third night of Hanukkah instead of socks and underwear!!

[GoPackGo]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

The best Xmas gift anyone on this forum could get is a ninja attack on Partial at the Packerrats.com posters game in which all of Partials fingers are broken and he's left wearing his nose as an earring.

Sounds good. I'll take that on the third night of Hanukkah instead of socks and underwear!!

Peace unto you brotha tyrone

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

The best Xmas gift anyone on this forum could get is a ninja attack on Partial at the Packerrats.com posters game in which all of Partials fingers are broken and he's left wearing his nose as an earring.

Sounds good. I'll take that on the third night of Hanukkah instead of socks and underwear!!

Peace unto you brotha tyrone

Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why dont we?

[hoosier]

He's certainly got a massive ego that he loves to massage and tell everyone else how inferior and dumb they are while he boasts about how wonderful he is. His brother GoPackGo is the same damn way.

I tell everyone how inferior and dumb they are? I boast how wonderful I am?

I rarely debate with anyone.

My favorite part is he is now calling you my brother.

I'll be expecting a sizeable Xmas this year, my brotha!!

The best Xmas gift anyone on this forum could get is a ninja attack on Partial at the Packerrats.com posters game in which all of Partials fingers are broken and he's left wearing his nose as an earring.

Sounds good. I'll take that on the third night of Hanukkah instead of socks and underwear!!

You need to start thinking more immediately. Time to invent an Eleventh Plague.