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We are coming at this from different sides. I agree 100% with you and him about the idea of killing to protect your family from imminenet danger or threat. I have been talking about more than just that. Don't look down on me for looking at all the angles and considering how I personally would handle a situation that was not such a threat, especially when the wrong decision made by me IN THAT SITUATION could ALSO fuck my family over because daddy is now in jail. Harlan started this whole string to try and get a measure of what and how much it would take to feel you needed to kill someone, I gave my answer.
It's all good man. Im not downing on you just trying to make my point that in a perfect world you might be able to stop them but if someone has the balls to break into a house there is no way to tell what else they will be down to do. Things are going to happen and they will happen fast. Giving someone who has invaded my pad any advantage is not an option. Maybe you are right, a kill first mindset may not be needed but a attack first one is.
I saw the pics you posted and I bet you would provide a good beating to some scumbag (even worse if he is mexican ).
In all honestly I think Joe Horn might have overreacted.
Agreed. The key word being "might". That's why there was an investigation, and it went before a grand jury to decide if he "did" overreact. The grand jury decided the case did not have enough merit to even warrant a trial. They, like you, decided not to presume that Joe just went a huntin, did it out of anger, and because of his prejudice against Columbian illegals. I doubt any of them called Joe a cold blooded murderer, compared him to OJ, or make lame attempts to equate what Joe did to killing teens for stealing beer.
I don't think anyone here claimed to know for certain what Joe was thinking, beyond making educated guesses. Well, anyone besides our usual resident "exception".
Mr. Horn could have justifiably felt that he was a target by these criminals, I don't know how he felt, and neither does Harlan, or Tyrone, or Tex, or Scott, or Skin.
His comments that he was gonna kill 'um when he saw them coming out of his neighbor's house is a pretty good clue that Joe's intent was to prevent them from getting away with their crime, not to protect himself or his own property. It is harder to interpret the scene once he went outside.
Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
What I can tell you, I am not going to wait and find out the intentions of bad people. If someone is attempting or committing a violent act of aggression, like breaking into your house, robbing you, threatening bodily harm, I am not going to sit back and hope everything is going to work out. So there is your answer Harlan.
I don't disagree with this. I think most people would use weapons when they are threatened.
The interesting question is if it is OK to kill somebody when you see them committing a crime, like if you spot somebody breaking into a car.
Mr. Horn could have justifiably felt that he was a target by these criminals, I don't know how he felt, and neither does Harlan, or Tyrone, or Tex, or Scott, or Skin.
His comments that he was gonna kill 'um when he saw them coming out of his neighbor's house is a pretty good clue that Joe's intent was to prevent them from getting away with their crime, not to protect himself or his own property. It is harder to interpret the scene once he went outside.
Originally posted by Deputy Nutz
What I can tell you, I am not going to wait and find out the intentions of bad people. If someone is attempting or committing a violent act of aggression, like breaking into your house, robbing you, threatening bodily harm, I am not going to sit back and hope everything is going to work out. So there is your answer Harlan.
I don't disagree with this. I think most people would use weapons when they are threatened.
The interesting question is if it is OK to kill somebody when you see them committing a crime, like if you spot somebody breaking into a car.
No its not ok to kill someone for property damage outside of your home. Inside your home anything goes in my opinion. If the robber is crazy enough to break into my house who knows what else he is crazy enough to do while inside. I'm definately firing at his chest if he doesn't do what I say or makes a sudden move.
I agree with your take, GoPAck. But those guys with the itchy balls are startin to get on my nerves. I'm thinking of bringing charges against you for indecent exposure, a poll may be in the works.
I agree with your take, GoPAck. But those guys with the itchy balls are startin to get on my nerves. I'm thinking of bringing charges against you for indecent exposure, a poll may be in the works.
your little blue dog and viva france location info has been getting on my nerves for 2 years.
On February 5, 1997 a civil jury in Santa Monica, California unanimously found Simpson liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Ronald Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown.
Mr. Horn could have justifiably felt that he was a target by these criminals, I don't know how he felt, and neither does Harlan, or Tyrone, or Tex, or Scott, or Skin.
His comments that he was gonna kill 'um when he saw them coming out of his neighbor's house is a pretty good clue that Joe's intent was to prevent them from getting away with their crime, not to protect himself or his own property. It is harder to interpret the scene once he went outside.
These comments could refer to the anger emotion that he was feeling, he felt his community was being invaded. Again do I make the same decision, most likely not, but just because he was intending to shoot them doesn't point to his reasoning, like I said he could have been feeling that his house was next, maybe not the same night, but to argue that these criminals didn't pose some danger at the moment or in the future to Mr. Horn is not accurate.
It's tyrone again. Please allow one of Tex's neighbors to sell their house. Please allow said neighbor to make a nice profit.
Please god, allow tex to welcome me to the neighborhood uninvited.
yours in eternal devotion,
Tyrone
Wow, a lot of action in this thread! Tyrone, check out Aynrand's picture on P. 12 of the pussy with the pop gun. When I read your post, that's what comes to mind.
Just the same, come on down, and bring your little pop gun. There's a for sale sign two doors down. You won't be uninvited, because I'm officially inviting you now. My old eyes aren't what they used to be, but with you there plugging any of those trespassers that get past me, I'll feel a helluva lot safer.
Harlan, you better not assume I'm the only one supporting people doing stuff like Horn did. There are several others right here in this forum, and trust me, a solid majority of us in the country in general.
BTW, God doesn't answer the prayers of liberals. You haven't figured that out by now?
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
BTW, God doesn't answer the prayers of liberals. You haven't figured that out by now?
The problem is, he has a hard time figuring out what liberals are praying for...
"A liberal was praying in Oct. of 2004. S/he said 'Dear Supreme Being, please save the United States and make sure John Kerry is elected President.' God answered: 'Well, make up your mind, which one do you want?'
"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.
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