A reason to vote for Obama

[digitaldean]

I swear I'm gonna wretch if I hear someone clamor for another federal stimulus check.

Start wretching. It's already in the works. The Dems are writing up a 300 Billion dollar stimulus package so that it will be ready for Obama to sign next January. With a filibuster proof Senate, they will shove it right down their throat, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Oh, wait, you can vote for Bob Barr. That will work.

No I threw my vote away before for Perot in 1992. Idealism works in the fairy tales.

I know the next 4 years we will be stuck with a supermajority in both House & Senate. If the Messiah's plans work, great, but I'd stand more of a chance bench pressing my pickup truck.

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Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Btw, people making less than $50,000 working in retail and service are on their feet working their asses off for 10-14 hr shifts. Thats who I'm voting for.

Those are called college students, college dropouts, and high school grads. Your reasons on voting for Obama are laughable. In Rhinelander, the only people who make decent money are small business owners and contactors/tradesman. You more than most people should know what Obamas tax policies will mean to your local economy

They should help since he is going out of his way to help out small businesses.

How? By astronomically raising their taxes?

[arcilite]

Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Btw, people making less than $50,000 working in retail and service are on their feet working their asses off for 10-14 hr shifts. Thats who I'm voting for.

Those are called college students, college dropouts, and high school grads. Your reasons on voting for Obama are laughable. In Rhinelander, the only people who make decent money are small business owners and contactors/tradesman. You more than most people should know what Obamas tax policies will mean to your local economy

They should help since he is going out of his way to help out small businesses.

How? By astronomically raising their taxes?

The opposite. But believe what you want.

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Well, do you have any evidence to the contrary? My parents have tax documentation from the clinton years and the bush years... I'll give you one guess as to when they were taxed more.

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Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Btw, people making less than $50,000 working in retail and service are on their feet working their asses off for 10-14 hr shifts. Thats who I'm voting for.

Those are called college students, college dropouts, and high school grads. Your reasons on voting for Obama are laughable. In Rhinelander, the only people who make decent money are small business owners and contactors/tradesman. You more than most people should know what Obamas tax policies will mean to your local economy

They should help since he is going out of his way to help out small businesses.

How? By astronomically raising their taxes?

The opposite. But believe what you want.

oh, ok. Now I'm convinced.

[arcilite]

Well, do you have any evidence to the contrary? My parents have tax documentation from the clinton years and the bush years... I'll give you one guess as to when they were taxed more.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:YsCl9Z5Be-MJ:www.barackobama.com/pdf/SmallBusi

nessFINAL.pdf+obama+small+business+plan&hl=en&ct=c lnk&cd=1&gl=us

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Well, do you have any evidence to the contrary? My parents have tax documentation from the clinton years and the bush years... I'll give you one guess as to when they were taxed more.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:YsCl9Z5Be-MJ:www.barackobama.com

/pdf/SmallBusinessFINAL.pdf+obama+small+business+plan&h l=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Yeah, because I'm really going to believe what he says now. Anyone can talk. Few people walk. Clinton talked and talked and talked about low taxes. Then he passed the biggest increase in taxation ever. Will Obama? That remains to be seen. But, history is surely not in his favor.

[GoPackGo]

Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Btw, people making less than $50,000 working in retail and service are on their feet working their asses off for 10-14 hr shifts. Thats who I'm voting for.

Those are called college students, college dropouts, and high school grads. Your reasons on voting for Obama are laughable. In Rhinelander, the only people who make decent money are small business owners and contactors/tradesman. You more than most people should know what Obamas tax policies will mean to your local economy

I get you, GoPackGo, you're a 'ME' guy, you're not a 'team world guy' - I drink California Zinfandel to your personal downfall. Harsh words, I know, but I just believe karma will prevail.

47 mill., 47 mill people that is...

I've worked retail, served, cooked, and worked behind a bar. I know what Gex is talking about. If you ever want to make any real money you have to get out of those jobs. They are temporary jobs with flexible schedules. Thats why people work them. They shouldn't be careers. My personal downfalls? whats that supposed to mean?

[retailguy]

Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Btw, people making less than $50,000 working in retail and service are on their feet working their asses off for 10-14 hr shifts. Thats who I'm voting for.

Those are called college students, college dropouts, and high school grads. Your reasons on voting for Obama are laughable. In Rhinelander, the only people who make decent money are small business owners and contactors/tradesman. You more than most people should know what Obamas tax policies will mean to your local economy

I get you, GoPackGo, you're a 'ME' guy, you're not a 'team world guy' - I drink California Zinfandel to your personal downfall. Harsh words, I know, but I just believe karma will prevail.

47 mill., 47 mill people that is...

Michael,

I usually stand up for your right to voice your opinion, but not in this case.

Please take your elitist BS and jam it where the sun doesn't shine.

You have just proven that you do not understand the difference between Europe and America.

Denmark has and continues to have a socialistic form of Goverment. While I realize that your "elitist" views are very consistent with your "home country" they don't work here. Both sides of the aisle (one more than the other, but still both) champion personal freedom and CHOICE.

That is one of the many reasons we haven't had "government run health care". People have the "freedom" to choose to cover themselves and their family, or they have the freedom and resulting choice to NOT do that.

Your statistics, as Fosco so rightly pointed out are INCLUSIVE of both types of people. Those who CAN afford health care and choose not to buy it, and those who CANNOT afford it and as a result don't buy it. Is our system perfect? No, not by a long shot. But, Mr. Elite, yours isn't perfect either.

Compared to our care, yours is substandard in both quality and timeliness. Canada, which has a similar system, their residents frequently cross the borders seeking our health care system, and the care it provides. There are many doctors within a 2 hour drive of the border, that SPECIALIZE in providing health care to Canadians who are more than willing to pay for it. Maybe, instead of "spreading utopia", you should work on fixing what ailes your health care system.

I recocgnize that we're viewed as "less intelligent" and "less cultured" than our European bretheren, but we are also envied. Maybe you should focus more on why you envy us, rather than how "smart" and cultured" you folks find yourself. I am confident that there is a message there, IF AND ONLY IF, you find yourself willing to admit that you don't know everything.

May you choke on that Zinfindel tonight, just enough, that it wipes the "smug" attitude off of your face.

[retailguy]

I believe education should be free as long as you're pulling grades. I believe health care should be affordable for all working Americans. If I have to pay a little extra, I'm happy to do it. I'll vote Obama.

However, I'm not a fan of raising taxes (or even having taxes) on buisness and industry that does it's buisness in the global market. I believe every dollar we take from China, Europe or Russia's economy and put into ours is a dollar that makes all of us better. If people get filthy rich by selling stuff to other countries, GREAT!!



I believe the, "a progressive tax stops people from getting to the top" arguement is just BS. Ever since we've had a progressive tax, all we've done is watch Americans rise from severe poverty to the top of our nations economic ladder. It's a proven, effective systsem. The last time we had a flat tax we crashed right into the great depression. If you were at the top, there you were. If you were at the bottom, there you were. No matter how hard you worked. The countries that run it now are poverty stricken. It's not nearly as great in practice as it is in theory but go ahead, beat yoru little drum. Obama is going to win and that's that. Deal with it.

JH,

I've been thinking most of the day how to respond to your two posts. Having met you, I have a small understanding of why you think the way that you think.

You are merging two issues here, that at least in my case, doesn't work. I am not running around "supporting" nor "clamoring" for the "fair tax". When looked through the "fairness lens" and in "theory" it probably is the right thing to do. Theory doesn't always work in the real world. The fair tax, I think, is one of those things.

To a "certain extent", I'm ok with the progressive income tax. I certainly pay more than my fair share today, but when I was your age, I didn't pay much of anything. Then Clinton got into office, and I paid significantly more, but I'll get there in a minute.

When I was your age, I was able to take that money, and use it to make more money. I get that part of your argument.

However, that came with another thing called RESPONSIBILITY. If I'd have screwed every pretty girl I saw without using my brain and some birth control, then, I'd wind up with a little bundle of joy, and a lifetime of responsibility and expenses before I was equipped to handle it.

If I had to rush out and buy the "latest" greatest car, or a boat, or 4 wheelers or, whatever, then I wasted that opportunity that I was given. It is a two part deal, and you're only looking at the first part of it.

Do you realize that, today, the most expensive car I've ever owned cost $10k? I've owned exactly TWO cars in my life that cost that much money. My current car is 9 years old, and has 138k miles on it. I have owned it for 5 years.

I have always lived well below my means and have saved money for both retirement and for other things. I haven't made a car payment since 1991, and God willing, I'll never make another. I lived most of my life on roughly 70% of my take home pay. I made SACRIFICES then so I'd have something today. Now, several in this thread think it should be taken away. It is utter bullshit. Class warfare at it's worse.

When I owned my tax business, it was a hobby of mine to compare the lives people live and the choices we make. One year, I inserted a line regarding automobiles. I asked make and model, and payment information. I learned that of my clients, 60% of them drove a more expensive automobile than I did, and 3% had a higher income level than I did! Think about that. Think hard.

My clients were and continue to be saddled with car payments that come with INTEREST. That interest cost goes to Bank of America, and doesn't benefit them directly. They made a CHOICE to live above their means. Then, they're told by idiots like OBAMA that I'm a greedy evil bastard who deserves to pay more! Still thinking? I hope so.

Go, vote for Obama. He's gonna provide change. You CAN believe in that. But, at the end of the day, I don't think you're going to like it as much as you think.

You Betcha!

[HowardRoark]

Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Well, gex, I'm tempted to take your post and rub Howard's nose in it, along with a couple of other "fairness" Republicans whose piss poor rhetoric plays right into the hands of the "class warfare" crap promoted by Obama and company.

Tex. Please do not refer to me anymore in your posts, clearly you don't have the ability to understand my writing. I have NEVER claimed any of this to be a fairness issue. Ever. What the fuck do you think I menat when I wrote "fairness shmarness"? It's ALL about a system that works best for humans. By any definition it is NOT fair......but I don't care! Life ain't fair.

I DO NOT play the fairness card at all.

[texaspackerbacker]

Re: A reason to vote for Obama

Well, gex, I'm tempted to take your post and rub Howard's nose in it, along with a couple of other "fairness" Republicans whose piss poor rhetoric plays right into the hands of the "class warfare" crap promoted by Obama and company.

Tex. Please do not refer to me anymore in your posts, clearly you don't have the ability to understand my writing. I have NEVER claimed any of this to be a fairness issue. Ever. What the fuck do you think I menat when I wrote "fairness shmarness"? It's ALL about a system that works best for humans. By any definition it is NOT fair......but I don't care! Life ain't fair.

I DO NOT play the fairness card at all.

Howard, you're transparent as glass.

Furthermore, you're actually right about 73% of the time. It you are sensitive about being "referred to", then stop being wrong that other 27% of the time.

The worst thing about you is that you tend to validate the class warfare rhetoric that the leftists are so fond of.

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Major circle jerk going on here.......

Liberals don't have the drive to get ahead? Come on man.....you are smarter than that....you are right?

Not all liberals... but the proof is in the pudding man. If you were poor, would you rather get more money handed to you or less? Who would honestly take less?

If you could live comfortably and not work, would you do it? Plenty of these people do just that. Yes, comfortably is a matter of perspective.

[bobblehead]

I believe education should be free as long as you're pulling grades. I believe health care should be affordable for all working Americans. If I have to pay a little extra, I'm happy to do it. I'll vote Obama.

However, I'm not a fan of raising taxes (or even having taxes) on buisness and industry that does it's buisness in the global market. I believe every dollar we take from China, Europe or Russia's economy and put into ours is a dollar that makes all of us better. If people get filthy rich by selling stuff to other countries, GREAT!!



I believe the, "a progressive tax stops people from getting to the top" arguement is just BS. Ever since we've had a progressive tax, all we've done is watch Americans rise from severe poverty to the top of our nations economic ladder. It's a proven, effective systsem. The last time we had a flat tax we crashed right into the great depression. If you were at the top, there you were. If you were at the bottom, there you were. No matter how hard you worked. The countries that run it now are poverty stricken. It's not nearly as great in practice as it is in theory but go ahead, beat yoru little drum. Obama is going to win and that's that. Deal with it.

I am dealing with it weren't you listening?? I am moving a guys corp to thailand....and his 128 jobs. The great depression had NOTHING to do with taxation, and progressive taxation is a bad thing whether you want to believe it or not....I love it when libs say deal with it as though we have no choice. Sort of like when the french went to a 35 hour work weak and told business to deal with it...until their economy went from 5th in the world to somewhere in the teens.

[bobblehead]

I swear I'm gonna wretch if I hear someone clamor for another federal stimulus check.

Start wretching. It's already in the works. The Dems are writing up a 300 Billion dollar stimulus package so that it will be ready for Obama to sign next January. With a filibuster proof Senate, they will shove it right down their throat, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Oh, wait, you can vote for Bob Barr. That will work.

No I threw my vote away before for Perot in 1992. Idealism works in the fairy tales.

I know the next 4 years we will be stuck with a supermajority in both House & Senate. If the Messiah's plans work, great, but I'd stand more of a chance bench pressing my pickup truck.

that vote got us the contract with america when republicans realized what we actually want...it wasn't wasted.