I'm buying beans again... and guns.

[Partial]

Now Sarah Palin won't have to look out her window to see Russia. She'll be in Russia.

You guys do know that that was Tina Fey that said that, not Pailn, right?

[BallHawk]

The health care in Canada is "free" of talented physicians and quality drugs, if anything.

Bullshit. You've got nothing to back that up.

[BallHawk]

theres was a game for the old xbox called shattered union that had a civil war scenario where the us split into groups

and it was damn close to being split up the same way with even the same names

this guys just ripping off a game

Nice. I thought I was the only one thinking that it was similar to Shattered Union. Good job, Red.

Map below for those that didn't play the game.



And Wiki link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shattered_Union

[Freak Out]

Now Sarah Palin won't have to look out her window to see Russia. She'll be in Russia.

You guys do know that that was Tina Fey that said that, not Pailn, right?

It was Palin dude......but I know you are joking.

[digitaldean]

The Axis powers weren't so bad, certainly no worse than America during the Reagan years.

Yeah, if the Master Race, racial purity, Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and vivisection and medical experimentation on the untermensch is your cup of tea....

[retailguy]

Now Sarah Palin won't have to look out her window to see Russia. She'll be in Russia.

You guys do know that that was Tina Fey that said that, not Pailn, right?

It was Palin dude......but I know you are joking.

Actually Freak, Palin said that Alaskans could see Russia from an Outlying island, which I guess is true. I've never been there so I'll take her word for it. Since you live there, you may know?

Partial is right. Tina Fey coined that phrase on Saturday Night Live, but it's been reported through the mainstream media as a direct quote, which it isn't, but, that doesn't matter to the mainstream media in their quest for destruction.

[Partial]

Now Sarah Palin won't have to look out her window to see Russia. She'll be in Russia.

You guys do know that that was Tina Fey that said that, not Pailn, right?

It was Palin dude......but I know you are joking.

Actually Freak, Palin said that Alaskans could see Russia from an Outlying island, which I guess is true. I've never been there so I'll take her word for it. Since you live there, you may know?

Partial is right. Tina Fey coined that phrase on Saturday Night Live, but it's been reported through the mainstream media as a direct quote, which it isn't, but, that doesn't matter to the mainstream media in their quest for destruction.

Yep.

[retailguy]

Well, if it matters, I found the quote. Here it is:

"They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." --Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms_2.htm

And it must be true. I took the website from one of PIP's posts where she claims that she has never said a "hateful" thing about Palin, and then posted a "link" to the top "palinisms" where the site ridicules her "many" gaffes. But, well, she didn't say it, did she? She implied it, then posted the link, but clearly that doesn't count.

Therefore, even the liberals will have to accept that this quote is correct.

[packinpatland]

Well, if it matters, I found the quote. Here it is:

"They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." --Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms_2.htm

And it must be true. I took the website from one of PIP's posts where she claims that she has never said a "hateful" thing about Palin, and then posted a "link" to the top "palinisms" where the site ridicules her "many" gaffes. But, well, she didn't say it, did she? She implied it, then posted the link, but clearly that doesn't count.

Therefore, even the liberals will have to accept that this quote is correct.

You creep. I posted the site, yes. You have to admit some of that stuff was priceless. As were some of Biden's blunders, which you all documented pretty well. Still doesn't mean I hate the woman.
I find her gaffs humerous.

[Freak Out]

Talk about splitting hairs....give me a break. I saw the tortuous interview with Couric or whatever her name is. I know what she said. Could she even name the island? Did she give a spiffy talk about how Alaskan natives were separated from family in "Russia" for generations because of laws they didn't understand even though they could see the island they lived on? Sure you can see big Diomede from little Diomede but that sure as hell didn't make her an expert on relations with Russia or anyone else.

[retailguy]

You creep. I posted the site, yes.

I'm a creep? At least I can admit when I hate someone.

I'll be the first one to admit that I've been really hard on you and Ziggy about Palin. Quite honestly, I couldn't care less whether you like her or not, but this "act" of first being impartial, and second making decisions on the "facts" was ridiculous.

You both hated her out of the gate. You saw the move as "pandering" to the Clinton dems (something that has been speculated but never confirmed). If it was true, and I doubt that it was, McCain didn't deserve to win the election. I just happen to think that McCain decided he wanted her because of the whole "Maverick" theme and I don't think it was deeper than that.

You have to admit some of that stuff was priceless.

Provided it lasted 24 - 48 hours, I'd suppose it was. But this whole Palin thing got "personal". It really has been a vendetta, the likes of which we haven't seen since Dan Quayle and Robert Bork.

On that basis, please believe me when I tell you that I find it nothing but sickening. Today, I find ZERO humor in it. None. And I'm not even a "Sarah Palin" fan. I just don't believe that ANYONE should be subject to the intense criticism that she has seen. It is pathetic.

I believe to an impartial person, it truly shows that the mainstream media can be "biased". No one who has the ability to be elected Governor could be as stupid as she has been portrayed (and that includes Arnold, and Jesse Ventura, too).

The twisting of the comment in question is proof of that.

As were some of Biden's blunders, which you all documented pretty well.

Yeah, Biden's blunders were funny, and they lasted the typical 24 - 48 hours and then went away. They were stupid comments, kind of like Kerry's "Lambert Field". But, we're still talking about "Potatoe" 20 years later. We won't be talking about either Biden or Kerry's screw-ups in 20 years.

Palin's remarks have that "long standing" possibility too. we'll see.

Still doesn't mean I hate the woman.
I find her gaffs humerous.

I think you do hate her, or better said, what she represents. I question where the "real" hatred lies for her. Pure speculation on my part, but I think that a "pro-life" woman, who hunts and fishes, is somehow threatening to the whole equal rights crowd. I don't know you, so I can't possibly know how you feel about that, but she doesn't fit the stereotypical woman who is being pushed in society. I could see Sarah showing up at a church bazaar with a home baked pie (that she did herself) and having a heart to heart discussion about things that us "little people" do. I could never see career politicians or the elitist education crowd (whom I live next door to), relating to these things. I personally believe this is where the hatred stems from.

What I saw in Sarah Palin was real. Real gaffes, is true, but real personality too. I respect that, even though I'm not a fan. I was, and remain a Rudy Guliani fan. But he ran such an inept campaign, he didn't deserve to be elected. Even I voted against him in the primary, because he ran the worst campaign I've ever seen. I couldn't see myself voting for Palin in the primaries in 2012, however, I still have respect for the way she conducted herself in this campaign. I guess the belittling really still pisses me off. It was uncalled for, but, necessary for the "liberal agenda" (my opinion!).

[MJZiggy]

Retail, do me a favor. Read you last post, but replace the name Sarah Palin with Barack Obama and read it again.

The guys in this forum have been just as hard on him (if not harder) and if you don't believe me, read back into the RR for a few pages and tally the hatred and the number of articles posted. You may be surprised.

And twice, TWICE I have enumerated for you exactly the reasons I dislike her and the reasons that I believe she is not well received by successful women. Is it just that you don't listen? Or are you that stubborn as to ignore them?

Read Sheep's comments comparing her reception to that of Ronald Reagan when he first came on the scene.

[retailguy]

Ziggy, I understand the comparison you're trying to make, but it doesn't hold water. Yes, the guys HERE have been tough on Obama, but, the difference is you have virtually the ENTIRE mainstream media, combined with the bulk of the late night comedians doing the "tough" stuff with Palin vs. a few unknown people in a football forum. You can't compare the Obama reception with the media, to Palin's reception. Unless you're illustrating polar opposites.

When you compare Obama's "background" of accomplishments to Palin's "background" of accomplishments, they are actually quite similar. Yet, the media judged "Obama" qualified to be President, but Palin "unqualified" to be Vice-President.

Your comparison won't work for me, ever, on that basis. There was, is, and always will be a difference in how they were portrayed by media and the elite.

You keep enumerating the same thing Ziggy that's been "espoused" in the press. In fact, in the other thread, you even used the exact phrase in question in this thread about "seeing her house". I don't care whether you like her or not, I've been making the point that you got your knowledge from the media (you didn't research it yourself), and that the "impressions" you received could be (and were) distorted.

Say it all you like. I see what I see, and you've backed up a lot of what I see. You now refer to her as "irrelevant" and not worth your time to research. But, for me, the point is, it wasn't worth your time to "research" BEFORE the election. You knew all you needed to know.

I live next door to the "liberal education elite". They are all college professors... I get invited to dinner with them. I'm the "token" conservative in the room. We discuss all this crap. In this pathetic little town (you know where I live), these guys WERE the guys on the street corners. I understand how they think. I know what they believe. I see the conceit. I see the hatred. And Ziggy, you and PIP sound EXACTLY like them. You give the same talking points. You hold the same ideals. You forgive the same flaws in Obama. Hell you even use the same sentences sometimes.

Could you be different? Sure. But it isn't really likely. I "get" this better than you think I do. These guys around here wanted CHANGE and they didn't care where it came from and it was all out WAR against anyone or anything that got in the way. Palin, "got in the way". And she was dealt with.

[BallHawk]

The health care in Canada is "free" of talented physicians and quality drugs, if anything.

Bullshit. You've got nothing to back that up.

Bump.

[texaspackerbacker]

Strange how another thread got side-tracked to the bashing of Sarah Palin. Yes, Ziggy, we've heard what is it, four times now why you think "successful women" don't like Palin? That leads me to wonder what you consider a "successful woman". I can think of several categories that to most objective observers would be successful that would support her. One of these would be women doing well on their own in business or professions--those with a stake in America remaining the wonderful place it is, wanting lower taxes, toughness against terrorism, criminals, and illegals, etc. A second category would be the wives of men in that same situation. A third category would be women with nice normal families and relationships--caring more about normal Judeo-Christian values and morality than about abortion, the gay agenda, social welfare programs, etc.

So what does that leave? What categories are YOU referring to as successful women? Female media members? Yeah, I've got to give you a solid majority of those; Women in the entertainment industry? Yeah, there are probably more Rosies and Whoopies and Ellens than there are Elizabeth Hasselbecks. Women working for government agencies? Yeah, you probably get that one too. Teachers? Maybe, but I bet by not near as big a margin as you may think.

If by "most successful women" you mean a majority, I'd say the "pro" Sarah categories have it by a wide margin over the "anti"s.