I'm buying beans again... and guns.

[retailguy]

And you don't think that the Wasilla paper's not gonna print a little feel good fluff about their hometown girl? I hardly think they're going to be asking the tough questions. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my other post. Or don't you have one?

Of course, but again, you should just read it for yourself. Lots of editorial articles that disagree with what happened. Again, I stick with my basic point, READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

You know, I have no desire to play "20 questions" with you. When you're ready to tell me, you'll tell me. Meanwhile, I remember days of bitching about the "real reason" why McCain picked Palin, and how you were "convinced" that he was trying to sway Hillary voters. I already stated that, several times over the last couple of days, so it is no secret that is what I think.

No, that was my theory for why he chose her. I've already told you what made me not like her. More than once. You made up your mind about it and applied it to me rather than going by what I actually posted about it. Quit making assumptions about how I think.

Judge, The defense rests.

[MJZiggy]

Finally. Even though the defender doesn't even know what the case is about...

[retailguy]

Finally. Even though the defender doesn't even know what the case is about...

I think you missed my point.

But thats OK, I'm still sticking with my answer.

[BallHawk]

Well, I'm not Partial, but what I do know is that there are a lot of Doctors in private practice in Northwest Washington that make their living charging Canadians for routine surgery because they don't want to wait the lengthy waits that they have to get some things "fixed".

I'm not sure they are "devoid" of talented doctors, so much, as they are overworked. When something is "free" or better phrased, "perceived as free", people line up.

I have many co-workers in Great Britian. They say the same thing about their medical care. LONG waits for simple things.

Canada and the UK definitely have their fair share of healthcare problems, long waits for simple procedures being one of the biggest, as you mentioned.

My entire family lives in the UK and those that can afford it go the private healthcare route, especially the older members. If you don't get sick very often the national healthcare system is great, but if you have multiple problems the wait for certain things can get out-of-hand. In general, though, the NHS is successful. The big problem there is that the doctors are largely foreign and do not speak the language well and their work experience is questionable.......I have enough horror stories to back that up.

Canada, on the other hand, does not have that problem. Does Canada have some of the same problems that England does? You bet. But to say Canada's doctors are devoid of talent is baseless scrutiny.

[retailguy]

Well, I'm not Partial, but what I do know is that there are a lot of Doctors in private practice in Northwest Washington that make their living charging Canadians for routine surgery because they don't want to wait the lengthy waits that they have to get some things "fixed".

I'm not sure they are "devoid" of talented doctors, so much, as they are overworked. When something is "free" or better phrased, "perceived as free", people line up.

I have many co-workers in Great Britian. They say the same thing about their medical care. LONG waits for simple things.

Canada and the UK definitely have their fair share of healthcare problems, long waits for simple procedures being one of the biggest, as you mentioned.

My entire family lives in the UK and those that can afford it go the private healthcare route, especially the older members. If you don't get sick very often the national healthcare system is great, but if you have multiple problems the wait for certain things can get out-of-hand. In general, though, the NHS is successful. The big problem there is that the doctors are largely foreign and do not speak the language well and their work experience is questionable.......I have enough horror stories to back that up.

Canada, on the other hand, does not have that problem. Does Canada have some of the same problems that England does? You bet. But to say Canada's doctors are devoid of talent is baseless scrutiny.

Yes, this is largely what I hear from my friends.

But, something to ponder. No insurance, or high deductibles ALSO work for those who don't get sick. Herein lies the problem.

If you don't need medical care, you are less willing to pay for it. You are more willing to accept a system that has significant "flaws" because you don't need it.

NHS works if you don't need it. Think about that.

There is no panacea. The US healthcare system also works if you don't need it...

And for the record, I didn't say that the Canadian doctors were devoid of talent. I don't know. I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

[Harlan Huckleby]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

[HowardRoark]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

The more the Government “gives” us, the more we become enslaved to the government. We are no more than cattle; given our feed and a barn in which to live. Please pass the oats.

[retailguy]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

Harlan, my basic point was every system has flaws. My basic belief is that Government should stay out of the Health care business. They've proven themselves inept at managing all forms of commerce that they touch. They're expensive, inefficient and slow. There is no government program that you or I can point at that suggests they can adequately manage health care better than what we have now.

That's my point.

As to our system being a "disgrace", I guess I'd point to those very Canadians that would rather pay for US health care than get their care for free in Canada. That says more than anything else I could say.

[BallHawk]

And for the record, I didn't say that the Canadian doctors were devoid of talent.

Sorry, I should of included the previous quote box. I was referring to Partial when I made that comment, since he DID say that the Canadian doctors were devoid of talent.

[gex]

Well, I'm not Partial, but what I do know is that there are a lot of Doctors in private practice in Northwest Washington that make their living charging Canadians for routine surgery because they don't want to wait the lengthy waits that they have to get some things "fixed".

I'm not sure they are "devoid" of talented doctors, so much, as they are overworked. When something is "free" or better phrased, "perceived as free", people line up.

I have many co-workers in Great Britian. They say the same thing about their medical care. LONG waits for simple things.

Canada and the UK definitely have their fair share of healthcare problems, long waits for simple procedures being one of the biggest, as you mentioned.

My entire family lives in the UK and those that can afford it go the private healthcare route, especially the older members. If you don't get sick very often the national healthcare system is great, but if you have multiple problems the wait for certain things can get out-of-hand. In general, though, the NHS is successful. The big problem there is that the doctors are largely foreign and do not speak the language well and their work experience is questionable.......I have enough horror stories to back that up.

Canada, on the other hand, does not have that problem. Does Canada have some of the same problems that England does? You bet. But to say Canada's doctors are devoid of talent is baseless scrutiny.

I think thats how it would work here, those with the means would not have to wait in the lines with the poor and downtrodden. They essentially would be paying extra for their quick pass.

[gex]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

The more the Government “gives” us, the more we become enslaved to the government. We are no more than cattle; given our feed and a barn in which to live. Please pass the oats.

And this is new because....

[HowardRoark]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

The more the Government “gives” us, the more we become enslaved to the government. We are no more than cattle; given our feed and a barn in which to live. Please pass the oats.

And this is new because....

Thanks gex, that says it all......we have passed the tipping point.

[MateoInMex]

Anarchy is more likely than a realignment.

Rich white people will hire Mexicans to riot for them, not knowing how to do it themselves.

Lmfao! What's the going rate for cheap day riot labor anyway?

[texaspackerbacker]

I do believe the Canadian system is just as hopelessly flawed as you think the US system is....

You can criticize any and all countries. The U.S. "system", such that there is a system, is a disgrace. Maybe it works ok for many, but far too many people are screwed.

Who? What people?

Everybody gets everything they need in the line of treatment, and that happens with a minimum of loss of freedom and a minimum of hassle and inconvenience--the two primary drawbacks to the Canadian and other government dominated systems.

The only negative side is the fact that providers absorb the cost and pass it along to other patients/insurance companies. My position, though--which I am well aware is disagreed with by some of our more idealistic conservatives--is that this way of doing it is the lesser of three evils--the others being having people not get treated and having a government dominated system.