I'm buying beans again... and guns.

[packinpatland]

RG.......just out of curiosity............(my New Years Resolution hasn't kicked in yet) name me one other govenor that has a budget whose revenues come from 90% oil? How can she not fail? How difficult is it to please the poplulace, when you send them a nice check each year? No taxes....

Look at the other tangibles........highest high school drop out rate, highest in drug producing (Wasilla...the meth capital), highest in spousal abuse, among the highest in alcholism, high unemployment, high teen suicide, above national average in teen pregancies.
Granted, she's only been there a year and a half......who knows, by the end of her term, instead of being highest in all the above, perhaps they'll be second or even third......let's wait and see.

Once again........I don't hate the woman. Granted, I don't like her much. I don't hate anyone.....even you RG

[MJZiggy]

Ziggy, I understand the comparison you're trying to make, but it doesn't hold water. Yes, the guys HERE have been tough on Obama, but, the difference is you have virtually the ENTIRE mainstream media, combined with the bulk of the late night comedians doing the "tough" stuff with Palin vs. a few unknown people in a football forum. You can't compare the Obama reception with the media, to Palin's reception. Unless you're illustrating polar opposites.

When you compare Obama's "background" of accomplishments to Palin's "background" of accomplishments, they are actually quite similar. Yet, the media judged "Obama" qualified to be President, but Palin "unqualified" to be Vice-President.

Your comparison won't work for me, ever, on that basis. There was, is, and always will be a difference in how they were portrayed by media and the elite.

You keep enumerating the same thing Ziggy that's been "espoused" in the press. In fact, in the other thread, you even used the exact phrase in question in this thread about "seeing her house". I don't care whether you like her or not, I've been making the point that you got your knowledge from the media (you didn't research it yourself), and that the "impressions" you received could be (and were) distorted.

Say it all you like. I see what I see, and you've backed up a lot of what I see. You now refer to her as "irrelevant" and not worth your time to research. But, for me, the point is, it wasn't worth your time to "research" BEFORE the election. You knew all you needed to know.

I live next door to the "liberal education elite". They are all college professors... I get invited to dinner with them. I'm the "token" conservative in the room. We discuss all this crap. In this pathetic little town (you know where I live), these guys WERE the guys on the street corners. I understand how they think. I know what they believe. I see the conceit. I see the hatred. And Ziggy, you and PIP sound EXACTLY like them. You give the same talking points. You hold the same ideals. You forgive the same flaws in Obama. Hell you even use the same sentences sometimes.

Could you be different? Sure. But it isn't really likely. I "get" this better than you think I do. These guys around here wanted CHANGE and they didn't care where it came from and it was all out WAR against anyone or anything that got in the way. Palin, "got in the way". And she was dealt with.

Question: Where did the guys in here get all their ammunition?

I am in no way comparing their backgrounds. This is what you don't get. Quiz time: why don't I like her? What was that thing that set me off? I've said it a number of times. I did decide long before the MSM got hold of her. Maybe all those educators are not so elite, but they just saw the same problem I did. Can you figure out what that problem would have been?

[texaspackerbacker]

Back to the original topic, none of this silly shit is ever gonna happen. That Commie relic is simply off his rocker.

A scenario like that, however, just might be an opportunity for America--right-thinking pro-America go out an kick some ass factions to do some much needed harm to the forces of evil in the world unfettered by eastern liberals and the whole "oh no, that wouldn't be nice" crowd in general.

The "Texas Republic" sector presumably would end up with the bulk of our nuclear and conventional military might, as well as the motivation to use them to intimidate our enemies into the concessions I spoke of in my earlier post, and if any of the assholic portion of the world decided not to be intimidated into submission, fine, nuke 'em 'til they glow in the dark, as somebody once said. I could see reducing the number of Chinamen by a billion or so, and what are there, 600 million Muslims? Cutting that down to 15 or 20 million seems a lot more manageable. I think the rest of the world would get the message and not give us any trouble.

[retailguy]

RG.......just out of curiosity............(my New Years Resolution hasn't kicked in yet) name me one other govenor that has a budget whose revenues come from 90% oil? How can she not fail? How difficult is it to please the poplulace, when you send them a nice check each year? No taxes....

Look at the other tangibles........highest high school drop out rate, highest in drug producing (Wasilla...the meth capital), highest in spousal abuse, among the highest in alcholism, high unemployment, high teen suicide, above national average in teen pregancies.
Granted, she's only been there a year and a half......who knows, by the end of her term, instead of being highest in all the above, perhaps they'll be second or even third......let's wait and see.

Once again........I don't hate the woman. Granted, I don't like her much. I don't hate anyone.....even you RG

Bush sent you a check, TWICE. Didn't help... You still hate him.

Alaska builds it's budget around it's available revenue streams as do the other 50 states. Washington has high business taxes and no income tax too. Texas does pretty well with oil revenue also. No state taxes there either.

All states have problems. Always have, always will. I'm with you on one thing. I'm curious what happens in Alaska over the next two years. We'll see. From what I read, her record isn't bad. Not world beating, but certainly not bad. In any event, she does have accomplishments. And, by a lot of standards similar accomplishments to our new President.

I guess we could have the same debate about Obamas district whom he represented for 3 terms in the Illinois Senate. I'd rather live in Wasila than 90% of that district. Hell, I'd rather live in certain parts of South Central LA than in that district. Those problems equal or dwarf any that Palin will face. I wasn't in Illinois in the late 90's to judge the difference, but if this is better... well, there is still a lot of work to do.

As for hatred, I believe you, to a point. But, I still question whether or not you hate what Palin represented. I don't know you, so I don't know, but I do know the educational elite in this little crummy town I live in DESPISED what she represented. And, just to be on the safe side, when we wind up together at a PR game, I'll make sure to stay out of the middle of the road, just in case.

[MJZiggy]

All states have problems. Always have, always will. I'm with you on one thing. I'm curious what happens in Alaska over the next two years. We'll see. From what I read, her record isn't bad. Not world beating, but certainly not bad. In any event, she does have accomplishments. And, by a lot of standards similar accomplishments to our new President.

And, pray tell, where did you read that??

[packinpatland]

HAH!!!! Gottcha!...........We never got a check... either time. And for the record, I don't hate GWB, pity would be a better description..........and I think I've mentioned it before, I voted for him twice. Independent that I am.

And about the PR game.............thank the Lord none of us will be driving.....that is what you meant, right?

[retailguy]

The health care in Canada is "free" of talented physicians and quality drugs, if anything.

Bullshit. You've got nothing to back that up.

Bump.

Well, I'm not Partial, but what I do know is that there are a lot of Doctors in private practice in Northwest Washington that make their living charging Canadians for routine surgery because they don't want to wait the lengthy waits that they have to get some things "fixed".

I'm not sure they are "devoid" of talented doctors, so much, as they are overworked. When something is "free" or better phrased, "perceived as free", people line up.

I have many co-workers in Great Britian. They say the same thing about their medical care. LONG waits for simple things.

[retailguy]

HAH!!!! Gottcha!...........We never got a check... either time. And for the record, I don't hate GWB, pity would be a better description..........and I think I've mentioned it before, I voted for him twice. Independent that I am.

And about the PR game.............thank the Lord none of us will be driving.....that is what you meant, right?

LOL. How is that a "gotcha"? I didn't get one either. Point being, the simple act of sending a check works with the "poor", I'd think, but the rest of us? Heck to be honest, I'm still incensed at the last round of "giveaways". I do like the idea of returning a surplus though. Of course, we've got 11 trillion and counting to go before we see one of those out of the Feds! God, what a screwed up mess (I blame both parties for that)

About the game - yes I was referring to you "running me down". Eliminate the competition.

[retailguy]

All states have problems. Always have, always will. I'm with you on one thing. I'm curious what happens in Alaska over the next two years. We'll see. From what I read, her record isn't bad. Not world beating, but certainly not bad. In any event, she does have accomplishments. And, by a lot of standards similar accomplishments to our new President.

And, pray tell, where did you read that??

I'm not sure what you mean, however, I read every Alaskan news story I could find in their archives when she was announced as McCains running mate. I spent 4 or 5 evenings reading stories on the wasilla newspaper website alone, researching her time as mayor. You can find it here:

http://www.frontiersman.com/

Additionally, I spent a lot of time using wayback to look at her campaign websites as they existed when she ran for Governor. I read her "issues" page, and tracked how it changed as the campaign moved along. I used some of her issues to search for news stories, both before and after the election to see if she did what she said she was going to do.

I did as much research as I could related to that "stupid bridge to nowhere" and think I understand what was really going on.

I could go on, but I think you get the point. BTW, if you really want, I can post links to the wayback site for the campaign website archives. If you want to understand who Sarah is, that's a good place to start.

[MJZiggy]

Soooo.....what you're telling me is that you got your information from her by the MEDIA???

You judged her issues claims by how they were followed in the MEDIA?????

If you want info on the Bridge to Nowhere, start with Engineering News Record. It's a nice start.

[retailguy]

Soooo.....what you're telling me is that you got your information from her by the MEDIA???

You judged her issues claims by how they were followed in the MEDIA?????

If you want info on the Bridge to Nowhere, start with Engineering News Record. It's a nice start.

So, let me see. You're comparing the Wasilla newspaper to NBC and the New York Times? You forgot the term MAINSTREAM. It makes a difference. A big one. All media is not bad, and even if they are, if you understand the inherent bias, you can still glean information.

The ENR is a subscription based website. We get it at work, but don't keep all the copies. I wasn't able to find anything in the copies I did find around the office.

But, I've read plenty about it. I think I've got the basic idea.

[MJZiggy]

And you don't think that the Wasilla paper's not gonna print a little feel good fluff about their hometown girl? I hardly think they're going to be asking the tough questions. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my other post. Or don't you have one?

[retailguy]

And you don't think that the Wasilla paper's not gonna print a little feel good fluff about their hometown girl? I hardly think they're going to be asking the tough questions. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my other post. Or don't you have one?

Of course, but again, you should just read it for yourself. Lots of editorial articles that disagree with what happened. Again, I stick with my basic point, READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

You know, I have no desire to play "20 questions" with you. When you're ready to tell me, you'll tell me. Meanwhile, I remember days of bitching about the "real reason" why McCain picked Palin, and how you were "convinced" that he was trying to sway Hillary voters. I already stated that, several times over the last couple of days, so it is no secret that is what I think.

[Freak Out]

Did the wacko Russian predict his country's collapse?

[MJZiggy]

And you don't think that the Wasilla paper's not gonna print a little feel good fluff about their hometown girl? I hardly think they're going to be asking the tough questions. And I'm still waiting for an answer to my other post. Or don't you have one?

Of course, but again, you should just read it for yourself. Lots of editorial articles that disagree with what happened. Again, I stick with my basic point, READ IT FOR YOURSELF.

You know, I have no desire to play "20 questions" with you. When you're ready to tell me, you'll tell me. Meanwhile, I remember days of bitching about the "real reason" why McCain picked Palin, and how you were "convinced" that he was trying to sway Hillary voters. I already stated that, several times over the last couple of days, so it is no secret that is what I think.

No, that was my theory for why he chose her. I've already told you what made me not like her. More than once. You made up your mind about it and applied it to me rather than going by what I actually posted about it. Quit making assumptions about how I think.