More Banjo: Coronavirus And Sports

[bobblehead]

Now, i just want to put forth a nice conspiracy theory. I will follow with a post that might back it up a touch.

https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/03/16/wuhan-virus-and-bioweapons-the-past-is-prologue/

From the article (this is one educated guys theory based on everything he read...its not fact, but it has a lot of fact to back it up):
"There are two different coronaviruses. One is extremely deadly, the other is much less deadly, killing only 1-3%, and mostly old people.

Both of the viruses were manufactured in the Chinese germ warfare lab in Wuhan, China. One of the viruses contains proteins from the HIV-1 (AIDS) virus. The other doesn’t. The HIV proteins were independently discovered by a virology lab in India, and then several weeks later by a lab in the US. In both cases the discovery was quickly withdrawn or “debunked”. Why? In the first case the news was squelched by the Chinese State News Agency complaining to the government of India (i.e., for international relations). In the second case other labs were looking at the virus type that does not contain HIV proteins, when they did not know there were two types.

What happened? The more deadly virus got loose in Wuhan in December 2019. The Chinese government reacted with extreme force that could only be applied by a totalitarian government. They quarantined over 20 million people. Travel was frozen. They rounded up and sequestered anybody who had a fever. Bodies were burned night and day in the crematories for two weeks — many thousands of bodies; we may never know how many, but smoke filled the air for miles downwind. The less deadly virus was quickly released and deliberately spread by Chinese agents as quickly as possible in China, and perhaps even in other countries as well. Why? The less deadly version of the virus gives immunity to the more deadly version, just like cowpox gives immunity to smallpox. By releasing and spreading the less deadly version the Chinese were protecting the majority of their people, and actually protecting people all over the world, from the more deadly version.

The germ warfare tactic would have been to release the less deadly version in China first, let most of the Chinese people get infected and cured, and then to release the more deadly version on their enemies. That would preserve the majority of Chinese while killing the majority of their enemies, and probably the rest of the world. Then China would own the world. I believe it is a fortuitous act of God that the virus got loose.

At first it was theorized that the HIV proteins that were added to the deadly version would transmit AIDS. That is wrong. The COVID-19 version containing HIV-1 proteins does not transmit AIDS. The function of the HIV proteins is, like AIDS does, to delay the body’s immune system response to the virus until the virus spreads more completely throughout the lungs. A Japanese virologist discovered that, like most corona and flu viruses, temperatures as low as 80 deg. F kill the virus. Organ damage can occur as well by having less oxygen in the blood. When the body’s immune system finally recognizes that the body has been invaded by the more deadly type, it over reacts. It is the over-reaction of the body’s own immune system that kills, and that is true with either type of COVID-19 coronavirus, just more so with the more deadly type. The more deadly virus solicits a delayed and more violent reaction from the body’s own immune system.

It is very fortunate for us that the less deadly version of the virus is spreading rapidly in America because the less deadly version of the virus gives immunity to the more deadly version. It is highly likely that people will contract this version and not even know they have it, but it will provide them with immunity to the more deadly strain. Divine intervention!"

[bobblehead]

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/24/21-million-chinese-cellphone-users-disappear-in-three-months-of-pandemic/

If you hate Breitbart, this is widely reported. They are simply sourcing from another website. The main sources for this are from chinese phone companies public records.

Edit: Since most won't click, I forgot the tell you the relevant information: Over 21 MILLION cell phone accounts have disappeared since December. That is in a country that has had an increasing number for years.

When this broke out I had a friend in Thailand. He had trouble getting back. When he did he showed me videos circulating around asia of people dropping in the street in convulsions and surrounded by hazmat suits within seconds. I thought they were fake/doctored/bullshit. I still don't know the whole truth, but everything I have seen leads me to believe the conspiracy theory. The reports of wuhan burning bodies day and night that I heard before I ever stumbled onto this. Remember I live in Las Vegas and we have a heavy chinese population. many of my acquaintances have relative in mainland china. I also wonder if what Italy and Iran is dealing with is virus 1 and 2 combination. One more article to back up that.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/19/its-no-coincidence-that-italy-and-iran-have-been-so-hard-hit-by-the-wuhan-virus/

Note, this isn't the same author as either of the other pieces. This is just me reading a lot of fact and tying it together for a nice fat conspiracy theory. Ok, taking off my tin hat now.

[mraynrand]

From the article (this is one educated guys theory based on everything he read...its not fact, but it has a lot of fact to back it up):
"There are two different coronaviruses. One is extremely deadly, the other is much less deadly, killing only 1-3%, and mostly old people.

Both of the viruses were manufactured in the Chinese germ warfare lab in Wuhan, China. One of the viruses contains proteins from the HIV-1 (AIDS) virus. The other doesn’t. The HIV proteins were independently discovered by a virology lab in India, and then several weeks later by a lab in the US. In both cases the discovery was quickly withdrawn or “debunked”. Why? In the first case the news was squelched by the Chinese State News Agency complaining to the government of India (i.e., for international relations). In the second case other labs were looking at the virus type that does not contain HIV proteins, when they did not know there were two types.

I looked at that paper from India. The sequence had the mutation that increases binding to ACE2 receptor, which is what makes the virus able to get into human (lung) cells. The paper claimed that the sequences were from HIV and gag pol proteins, but the method they used was grossly inappropriate. They used small stretches of protein sequence to query a database, so that the search wasn't robust and basically pulled up millions of hits (i repeated it and yep, that's what it did, as expected). Since the databases are filled with HIV and gag pol sequences, that's what you get.

Still, the virus IS a mutated virus, and it continues to mutate. And early on, there were two dominant forms running around, but I was pretty certain they were common in the ACE2 binding region, suggesting they would have similar infectivity.

Still, it's possible such strains were selected for in a lab; it'd not hard to do. But it looks like they exist in (at least) the bat population, so most likely it jumped over.

[George Cumby]

I looked at that paper from India. The sequence had the mutation that increases binding to ACE2 receptor, which is what makes the virus able to get into human (lung) cells. The paper claimed that the sequences were from HIV and gag pol proteins, but the method they used was grossly inappropriate. They used small stretches of protein sequence to query a database, so that the search wasn't robust and basically pulled up millions of hits (i repeated it and yep, that's what it did, as expected). Since the databases are filled with HIV and gag pol sequences, that's what you get.

Still, the virus IS a mutated virus, and it continues to mutate. And early on, there were two dominant forms running around, but I was pretty certain they were common in the ACE2 binding region, suggesting they would have similar infectivity.

Still, it's possible such strains were selected for in a lab; it'd not hard to do. But it looks like they exist in (at least) the bat population, so most likely it jumped over.

Good post.

[LEWCWA]

All opinions are phrased as fact. I thought you were sharp enough to realize when I say testing would have done nothing you know you are reading an opinion. Its a logic based opinion that I backed up with fact though. Even people diagnosed refuse to self quarantine. It happened before and it always will. That is a fact. You could have tested the entire nation and maybe it helps some. But in the end, its also not realistic to test everyone who is asymptomatic. NOT POSSIBLE. First you need everyone to cooperate. Second, up to 30% of people are asymptomatic. That means a lot of people are going to ignore any form or quarantine because they wouldn't bother getting tested.
Proof:

https://time.com/3548847/kaci-hickox-ebola-nurse-quarantine-bike-ride/

SHE IS A FUCKING NURSE!!!

Don't disagree....I did say, I realize it was an opinion. I was equating this kind of communication to other really.....Some dip shits in AZ found a chloroquine derivative in some koi fish shit and took it. Based on Trump....one I know is dead, the other critical....I know you can't fix stupid, but how you relay info matters....

[texaspackerbacker]

And an idiot like you blames Trump? Because that fits your sick agenda? Sheeeesh.

Blame the damn Chicoms - Bobblehead's post above, far-fetched that it is, is more believable.

[George Cumby]

No question the Chinese wet markets allowed the cross-over between species.

No question Trump has bungled the US response:

https://i.redd.it/vrw6m26yojn41.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg&feature=youtu.be

[falco]

https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...s-of-pandemic/

If you hate Breitbart, this is widely reported. They are simply sourcing from another website. The main sources for this are from chinese phone companies public records.

Edit: Since most won't click, I forgot the tell you the relevant information: Over 21 MILLION cell phone accounts have disappeared since December. That is in a country that has had an increasing number for years.

When this broke out I had a friend in Thailand. He had trouble getting back. When he did he showed me videos circulating around asia of people dropping in the street in convulsions and surrounded by hazmat suits within seconds. I thought they were fake/doctored/bullshit. I still don't know the whole truth, but everything I have seen leads me to believe the conspiracy theory. The reports of wuhan burning bodies day and night that I heard before I ever stumbled onto this. Remember I live in Las Vegas and we have a heavy chinese population. many of my acquaintances have relative in mainland china. I also wonder if what Italy and Iran is dealing with is virus 1 and 2 combination. One more article to back up that.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/19/its-no-coincidence-that-italy-and-iran-have-been-so-hard-hit-by-the-wuhan-virus/

Note, this isn't the same author as either of the other pieces. This is just me reading a lot of fact and tying it together for a nice fat conspiracy theory. Ok, taking off my tin hat now.

thanks for this Bobblehead. I was taking your posts seriously up til now

[call_me_ishmael]

For fucks sake.

[bobblehead]

thanks for this Bobblehead. I was taking your posts seriously up til now

could you tell me what it is about this post that made you realize what a complete idiot I am?

Edit: I have to take it a step further. The post that you seem to take issue with is the only one filled with nothing but absolute fact. Not even disputable. 21 million less cell phone contracts than Nov 31st. Italy and Iran sold out a lot of infrastructure to China and had a high volume Chinese workers that added to their outbreak and hastened it. That this is what makes you not take me seriously says volumes about you.

[call_me_ishmael]

could you tell me what it is about this post that made you realize what a complete idiot I am?

lol you serious now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic#Chinese_biological_weapon

[mraynrand]

I know this is anecdotal, but read deep into this thread.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1242976031276961797

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I know this is anecdotal, but read deep into this thread.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarpeDonk...76031276961797

The first thing I noticed is this is almost a pro-trump blog, and from what I am seeing, this hoax conspiracy thing seems to be splitting along party lines. And isn't a lock down supposed to be preventative? So not seeing coronavirus in your particular area (yet?) does not really prove anything, certainly not that it is a hoax, or a democratic conspiracy. There is just too much evidence to the contrary. The other thing the twitter feed did was illustrate why it is so difficult to slow/stop a pandemic, and why sometimes force (mandated lock downs and somethimes actual force) is needed, as many many people believe what they want to believe.

[Fosco33]

If trump decides to say maybe the earth is flat - 90% of people on that twitter thread would start believing.

[mraynrand]

The first thing I noticed is this is almost a pro-trump blog, and from what I am seeing, this hoax conspiracy thing seems to be splitting along party lines. And isn't a lock down supposed to be preventative? So not seeing coronavirus in your particular area (yet?) does not really prove anything, certainly not that it is a hoax, or a democratic conspiracy. There is just too much evidence to the contrary. The other thing the twitter feed did was illustrate why it is so difficult to slow/stop a pandemic, and why sometimes force (mandated lock downs and somethimes actual force) is needed, as many many people believe what they want to believe.

I didn’t care about the politics just the observations that people aren’t seeing much of anything. That’s also true in my community which is among the most left leaning congressional districts in the nation.