Allen to Vikings... "is close to being in place"

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they also swapped 6th round picks, the chiefs moved up 5 whole spots

obviously this was the major sticking point of the trade

[The Leaper]

I think this is a good move for the Vikings myself. Chances are good that AP is a guy who might only have 4-5 years in him, so loading up while you have a player of that caliber to build around seems smart IMO.

I agree that this will probably send the Vikings into a tailspin 3-5 years down the road...but short-term, the deal makes a lot of sense if Allen stays healthy and out of trouble.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Vikes

31 million in guarenteed cash???????????????????

That's just freakin ridiculous. Like I said, the injury factor in the NFL is just to severe to warrant giving up that much money.

The top pick in this draft is getting almost the same guaranteed cash. A guy that hasn't played one down in the NFL. This ain't your father's NFL anymore. The Packers have deftly avoided this kind of contract thus far, but their day will come too.

[Rastak]

they also swapped 6th round picks, the chiefs moved up 5 whole spots

obviously this was the major sticking point of the trade

Actually the Vikes moved up, not KC. Ask TT how important 5 spots is in the 6th!


Oops, you are correct....it was misreported last night.....oh oh, now they are doomed!

[GoPackGo]

I would have been Ok with the Packers doing this trade. Allen is 27 years old and led the NFL in sacks last year. Draft picks are gambles too.

[Packnut]

Re: Vikes

31 million in guarenteed cash???????????????????

That's just freakin ridiculous. Like I said, the injury factor in the NFL is just to severe to warrant giving up that much money.

The top pick in this draft is getting almost the same guaranteed cash. A guy that hasn't played one down in the NFL. This ain't your father's NFL anymore. The Packers have deftly avoided this kind of contract thus far, but their day will come too.

The difference is that IF you have a top 5 pick in the draft, your forced to pay the guarenteed cash. This is just a by-product of a very screwed up system.

In the Viking's case, they chose to pay that much cash.

Also, the majority of the time, the rookie getting that much money plays a position that has more value i.e. a RB or QB.

I just don't see how DE is in that same game changing category. You can scheme to stop pass rushing DE's by doing a wide variety of things. Now, in the Viking's case, having a solid interior will help, but both those guys are more of a run stopping force than any impact they have pressuring the QB.

You can double the stud DE and force the other guys to beat you. Not to mention having a very good tackle can negate a DE's ability like we saw in the Pack/KC game.

When you factor the above in with the injury risk, this just is'nt the holy grail of deals that it's made out to be.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well, draft day will be fun:

The Packers will have made 6 picks by the time the Vikings make their 3rd pick.

Round 1, Pick 30 (30)
Round 2, Pick 25 (56)
Round 2, Pick 29 (60)
Round 3, Pick 28 (91)
Round 4, Pick 29 (128)
Round 4, Pick 36 (135)

Round 2, Pick 16 (47)
Round 4, Pick 18 (117)

It's not destined to fail, but giving up a 1st and two 3rds and $31M guaranteed for a guy who is one strike away from a one-year suspension is a huge risk. Basically, they gave that much for an Aaron Kampman with character issues.

I guess the moral of the story is that it's better to draft Aaron Kampman than be forced to trade for Aaron Kampman because of your inability to draft two solid DEs.

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they also swapped 6th round picks, the chiefs moved up 5 whole spots

obviously this was the major sticking point of the trade

Actually the Vikes moved up, not KC. Ask TT how important 5 spots is in the 6th!


Oops, you are correct....it was misreported last night.....oh oh, now they are doomed!

yup just remember how important those 5 spots are lol

[MadtownPacker]

As far as what it would have costs to move up to get one of the top rated DE's, that would have been equally as silly of a move. We picked 16th last year and I don't think you trade Harrell, Jones, and Rouse for one player.

Thats a great comparison. When you look at it like that you have to wonder about the future.

The vikings season hinges on the offense anyways. The D was decent enough to win with last year. Rodgers will be tested for sure on Monday night in week 1.

[Rastak]

Well, draft day will be fun:

The Packers will have made 6 picks by the time the Vikings make their 3rd pick.

Round 1, Pick 30 (30)
Round 2, Pick 25 (56)
Round 2, Pick 29 (60)
Round 3, Pick 28 (91)
Round 4, Pick 29 (128)
Round 4, Pick 36 (135)

Round 2, Pick 16 (47)
Round 4, Pick 18 (117)

It's not destined to fail, but giving up a 1st and two 3rds and $31M guaranteed for a guy who is one strike away from a one-year suspension is a huge risk. Basically, they gave that much for an Aaron Kampman with character issues.

I guess the moral of the story is that it's better to draft Aaron Kampman than be forced to trade for Aaron Kampman because of your inability to draft two solid DEs.

LOL, so that makes your draft day "fun"?

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i think the main reason the queens panicked and made such a move is because they just couldn't wait around any longer for us to release a DE

[LL2]

i think the main reason the queens panicked and made such a move is because they just couldn't wait around any longer for us to release a DE

We have one the Vikes want?

We need some Packers in Minny to help Allen find a few favorite watering holes.

[Scott Campbell]

Well, draft day will be fun:

The Packers will have made 6 picks by the time the Vikings make their 3rd pick.

Round 1, Pick 30 (30)
Round 2, Pick 25 (56)
Round 2, Pick 29 (60)
Round 3, Pick 28 (91)
Round 4, Pick 29 (128)
Round 4, Pick 36 (135)

Round 2, Pick 16 (47)
Round 4, Pick 18 (117)

It's not destined to fail, but giving up a 1st and two 3rds and $31M guaranteed for a guy who is one strike away from a one-year suspension is a huge risk. Basically, they gave that much for an Aaron Kampman with character issues.

I guess the moral of the story is that it's better to draft Aaron Kampman than be forced to trade for Aaron Kampman because of your inability to draft two solid DEs.

LOL, so that makes your draft day "fun"?

Exactly. That's what makes Christmas fun too.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Vikes

31 million in guarenteed cash???????????????????

That's just freakin ridiculous. Like I said, the injury factor in the NFL is just to severe to warrant giving up that much money.

The top pick in this draft is getting almost the same guaranteed cash. A guy that hasn't played one down in the NFL. This ain't your father's NFL anymore. The Packers have deftly avoided this kind of contract thus far, but their day will come too.

The difference is that IF you have a top 5 pick in the draft, your forced to pay the guarenteed cash. This is just a by-product of a very screwed up system.

In the Viking's case, they chose to pay that much cash.

Forced or not, these kinds of guarantees will become more and more common. I'd much rather use it on a young vet.

I also think that DE's can be big time game changers. It's a premier position in the NFL.

I typically subscribe to TT's brand of conservatism with regards to cap management, the draft and free agency. But if I had an AP or Barry Sanders on my roster, I'd be damn tempted to throw it all away and go for instant gratification the way the Vikings are. AP is a once in a decade talent, and he'll be washed up before we know it. They need to win now.

[Chester Marcol]

I think the Vikings really believe that the Packers success was only because of Favre. I think they are trying to sieze the moment in the wake of Favre retiring pinning their hopes that TT hasn't put together a pretty good team regardless of Favre being here or not.

I think the Vikings will feel pretty silly giving up so much to finish in 2nd place in the division. Although I'm not sure what role Childress has in player acquisitions, let's not forget he is most likely entering his last year to do something or be shown the door. If he has a lot of pull, this is exactly the short sited move you'd expect someone under the gun to make.