NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[The Leaper]

is there a statement on record of T2 or M3 saying backup? All we could find was the need to determine roles.

I haven't seen any comments directly from the Packers claiming that Brett could only return as a backup. However, that could very well be their actual intention given the comments from Favre. I guess Thompson and McCarthy just are smart enough to not publically state their preference at this point.

[woodbuck27]

I see a problem with Favre joining the Vikkings...............John David Booty wears #4. What would Favre have to pay to wear his number?

Seriously though, TT does have some leverage here. To release Favre would be foolish for the Pack.

TT and the Packers have ZERO leverage... Favre can make this a pain in the ass as much as he wants too..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

Wrong. The PAckers have ALL the leverage. Favre can't play ANYWHERE without TT letting it happen. Favre's be ego prevents the rest.

F U !!!!

Classy respnose as usual from the resident incoherent tool.

cpk1994. I've never issued such an intolerant response to any poster here at Packerrats . Your wind just sucks in my sail, and of all people here, you define yourself best as 'a hater' cpk1994.

Your nothing but a silly punk. I toss better value in ass wipe into the toilet than you offer.

[Tarlam!]

I am certain it has been posted on one of the 756 other BF threads and I will not be accused of starting 757!

Interesting are the comments by posters on the first page:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/PKR07/807150546/1058/PKR01

E.g. "Sell your tickets" hahahaha!

I know one or two posters here that would fit right in over on that thread!

[woodbuck27]

I am certain it has been posted on one of the 756 other BF threads and I will not be accused of starting 757!

Interesting are the comments by posters on the first page:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/PKR07/807150546/1058/PKR01

E.g. "Sell your tickets" hahahaha!

I know one or two posters here that would fit right in over on that thread!

Names Tarlam! ?? Don't lump woodbuck27 into that mess. I want whats best for all concerned. Not just Favre or TT and brass. I think of the Packer fans first man.

There's too much hatred for Ted Thompson on that respose team to be any part of who I am. This is developing into 'a real shitstorm', and TT has to act really fast now and sadly the best he'll do is get Favre back pronto.

Then it just continues. Two men - two very different personality's and ego's.
That would be the very best PR TT could come up with now to satisfy Packer Nation, even if it's a split.

Don't ever imagine Favre ever comes out of this 'the loser' either. He plays poker better than TT because he holds better hands overall and his patience trumps TT's procrastination.

[Carolina_Packer]

Again, why weren't you in favor of granting Javon Walker an unconditional release?

The whole Walker thing was about MONEY. Have we heard Favre mention ANYTHING about money? NO................he just wants to PLAY. Damn, I never thought I'd hear Packer fans complain about a HOF QB just want to play and be REJECTED. Friends/relatives have called.....even BEAR fans, and said what the hell is going on in GB that they don't want Favre. It's really not that complicated.

It's a little complicated when it takes someone so long to make up their minds, and backs out after brief talks of unretirement. The Packers weren't flush with options at QB, so they had to know in or out and plan for Favre not to be there or be left holding the bag if he retired after having enough time (in his book) to decide. If the team is talking about having him back to compete for the starting job, why should Brett be concerned. If he can't beat out Rodgers fair and square then perhaps he is done. Same for Rodgers, but if he can't beat out Favre to start, he should accept being the backup.

[woodbuck27]

Again, why weren't you in favor of granting Javon Walker an unconditional release?

The whole Walker thing was about MONEY. Have we heard Favre mention ANYTHING about money? NO................he just wants to PLAY. Damn, I never thought I'd hear Packer fans complain about a HOF QB just want to play and be REJECTED. Friends/relatives have called.....even BEAR fans, and said what the hell is going on in GB that they don't want Favre. It's really not that complicated.

It's a little complicated when it takes someone so long to make up their minds, and backs out after brief talks of unretirement. The Packers weren't flush with options at QB, so they had to know in or out and plan for Favre not to be there or be left holding the bag if he retired after having enough time (in his book) to decide. If the team is talking about having him back to compete for the starting job, why should Brett be concerned. If he can't beat out Rodgers fair and square then perhaps he is done. Same for Rodgers, but if he can't beat out Favre to start, he should accept being the backup.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't done one thing to support him beating out Brett Favre.

The issue is the Packer brass want Favre to disappear and he won't. He's Brett Favre.

[GBRulz]

Re: NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

I hate to break it to you Merlin, buit they have made all OTA's this year so your argument is garbage.[/quote]

Not that it really matters, but no they didn't. I was there for four practices this year, only saw Al at one of them. He wasn't there at all for the first week.

[The Leaper]

It's a little complicated when it takes someone so long to make up their minds, and backs out after brief talks of unretirement. The Packers weren't flush with options at QB, so they had to know in or out and plan for Favre not to be there or be left holding the bag if he retired after having enough time (in his book) to decide.

I can't agree with this statement.

First, it isn't complicated at all. The Packers likely did put pressure on Favre to make a decision...so Favre made the only decision he could in March. I don't necessarily fault Green Bay for pressing Favre on the issue, but they can't sit back now and plead ignorance.

If you were going to pressure Favre to make a decision, the kind of scenario we are currently witnessing was certainly going to be a logical end game. Favre has earned the right to go out on HIS terms, at least IMO. Thompson, a guy who never had that right as a player and is so open about it publically (when he isn't open about anything else) that you can tell it eats him up day and night, apparently doesn't understand that.

If the Packers are so confident about Rodgers, then pressuring Favre wasn't neccessary. If Favre came back, they had 2 great QBs. If Favre didn't come back, they had a guy ready who has been groomed and made ready. The position wasn't at all lacking in options, as you suggest. It would've been fine either way.

If the team is talking about having him back to compete for the starting job, why should Brett be concerned.

Because he is a HOF QB who is coming off an MVP caliber season. Why the hell should he have to prove ANYTHING?

If you were an MVP worker at your company coming off a great year and sparkling review, and they decided to open up your job to competition with a recent college grad with great potential but little proven capability, you'd be a little pissed off. Sure, the company has the right to do whatever they want...but you also have the right to your own displeasure and frustration. That is precisely where Favre is right now.

If he can't beat out Rodgers fair and square then perhaps he is done.

That is just a dumb comment. After all Favre has given the organization...and what he accomplished LAST SEASON...he shouldn't have to sit here and prove himself as being better than a kid with no NFL starts on his resume.

What the Packers are doing to Favre is being noticed by every player and future player in the league. The Packers are getting a black eye right now because of their lack of loyalty to Favre...even if their decision to "move on" is a practical one. It will only make it more difficult for the Packers to acquire free agent talent.

[The Leaper]

BTW

I am so fucking tired of people harping on Favre for missing the OTAs. That is a load of crock. OTAs for a guy like Favre are virtually meaningless.

[woodbuck27]

It's a little complicated when it takes someone so long to make up their minds, and backs out after brief talks of unretirement. The Packers weren't flush with options at QB, so they had to know in or out and plan for Favre not to be there or be left holding the bag if he retired after having enough time (in his book) to decide.

I can't agree with this statement.

First, it isn't complicated at all. The Packers likely did put pressure on Favre to make a decision...so Favre made the only decision he could in March. I don't necessarily fault Green Bay for pressing Favre on the issue, but they can't sit back now and plead ignorance.

If you were going to pressure Favre to make a decision, the kind of scenario we are currently witnessing was certainly going to be a logical end game. Favre has earned the right to go out on HIS terms, at least IMO. Thompson, a guy who never had that right as a player and is so open about it publically (when he isn't open about anything else) that you can tell it eats him up day and night, apparently doesn't understand that.

If the Packers are so confident about Rodgers, then pressuring Favre wasn't neccessary. If Favre came back, they had 2 great QBs. If Favre didn't come back, they had a guy ready who has been groomed and made ready. The position wasn't at all lacking in options, as you suggest. It would've been fine either way.

If the team is talking about having him back to compete for the starting job, why should Brett be concerned.

Because he is a HOF QB who is coming off an MVP caliber season. Why the hell should he have to prove ANYTHING?

If you were an MVP worker at your company coming off a great year and sparkling review, and they decided to open up your job to competition with a recent college grad with great potential but little proven capability, you'd be a little pissed off. Sure, the company has the right to do whatever they want...but you also have the right to your own displeasure and frustration. That is precisely where Favre is right now.

If he can't beat out Rodgers fair and square then perhaps he is done.

That is just a dumb comment. After all Favre has given the organization...and what he accomplished LAST SEASON...he shouldn't have to sit here and prove himself as being better than a kid with no NFL starts on his resume.

What the Packers are doing to Favre is being noticed by every player and future player in the league. The Packers are getting a black eye right now because of their lack of loyalty to Favre...even if their decision to "move on" is a practical one. It will only make it more difficult for the Packers to acquire free agent talent.

Excellent post and 'nail in the coffin' argument The Leaper .

[pbmax]

This is clearly still a sore spot with him. But as was pointed out before, Brett is not the GM and its not his call. I do credit him with not making a huge public stink outside of the one Moss rant. But silence in this case doesn't mean he at peace.

He still has the energy to backseat GM but not the commitment to come to offseason training. Another sign he really isn't in this for the right reasons. He's going Marino on the team.

Favre's just seems bitter with Thompson for not allowing him to play G.M. Same thing happened in Chicago with Mike Jordan at the end. Kind of funny since the Packers would have had a real hard time signing Rivera and Wahle. (Rivera would have been a bad re-signing since he's proven over the hill since then.) Anybody sad we didn't hire Mooch?

In the transcript, Favre expressed frustration with three incidents in the recent Packers past involving Thompson.

In one instance, Favre told Van Susteren that “I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” adding that he was willing to give up salary to land the talented receiver.

But Favre said Thompson denied publicly that Favre had lobbied to get Moss, which Favre said was not the case. Moss signed with the New England Patriots.

In a second instance, Favre said he once tried to convince Thompson to re-sign Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, two key linemen, but the two got away and signed elsewhere.

In a third case, Favre told Van Susteren he tried to convince Thompson to interview Steve Mariucci, an old friend, for the head coaching job vacated by Mike Sherman. Favre said Thompson ended up hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

[Chevelle2]

"going Marino on the team"

For those younger, what did Marino do?

[woodbuck27]

This is clearly still a sore spot with him. But as was pointed out before, Brett is not the GM and its not his call. I do credit him with not making a huge public stink outside of the one Moss rant. But silence in this case doesn't mean he at peace.

He still has the energy to backseat GM but not the commitment to come to offseason training. Another sign he really isn't in this for the right reasons. He's going Marino on the team.

Favre's just seems bitter with Thompson for not allowing him to play G.M. Same thing happened in Chicago with Mike Jordan at the end. Kind of funny since the Packers would have had a real hard time signing Rivera and Wahle. (Rivera would have been a bad re-signing since he's proven over the hill since then.) Anybody sad we didn't hire Mooch?

In the transcript, Favre expressed frustration with three incidents in the recent Packers past involving Thompson.

In one instance, Favre told Van Susteren that “I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” adding that he was willing to give up salary to land the talented receiver.

But Favre said Thompson denied publicly that Favre had lobbied to get Moss, which Favre said was not the case. Moss signed with the New England Patriots.

In a second instance, Favre said he once tried to convince Thompson to re-sign Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, two key linemen, but the two got away and signed elsewhere.

In a third case, Favre told Van Susteren he tried to convince Thompson to interview Steve Mariucci, an old friend, for the head coaching job vacated by Mike Sherman. Favre said Thompson ended up hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

I see the strain between Favre and Ted Thompson as too obvious. Of course all that is just played out as some undercurrent, but it's a huge factor in today.

Too bad for Ted Thompson as he can't win. Favre outplayed him and we'll all see this sooner or later.

I feel badly for TT. He's just pushed where he's shoved.

[The Leaper]

This is clearly still a sore spot with him. But as was pointed out before, Brett is not the GM and its not his call.

I agree. He looks like an idiot getting all frustrated over Thompson ignoring his suggestions. Thompson's record the last 4 years have been incredibly solid and there should be no question regarding Thompson's desire and ability to improve the Packer roster from top to bottom.

Even if Favre was frustrated, he should be able to sit back at this point and realize that Thompson has a far better understanding of how to run a team than he does.

[cpk1994]

Re: NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

I hate to break it to you Merlin, buit they have made all OTA's this year so your argument is garbage.

Not that it really matters, but no they didn't. I was there for four practices this year, only saw Al at one of them. He wasn't there at all for the first week.[/quote]But Charles was, I guess that was who I was thinking of and just lumped Al in with him. This is what happens when you deal with Merlin and Woody. You become just a dumb as they are.