OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[MJZiggy]

http://vikingsmessageboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19924
I found this funny, viking fans already contemplating whether they should retire Favres number after he retires.

Which time?

[MJZiggy]

I'm sorry - I can't help myself. This from the Star-Tribune:

"LaMarr Woodley's 77-yard fumble return and Keyaron Fox's 82-yard interception return on turnovers by Favre allowed the Steelers to turn back Minnesota's repeated comeback attempts"

lol...why are u even reading that paper anyway? hmmm.......

Cause at this moment in time, it's DAMN fun!

[MJZiggy]

Would you be one of those blaming the refs for losing if this was the Packers? There was a clear bad call in the 4th that could have cost the Vikes the game. Not gonna hear that from me though. Nor would I say Favre was the reason for losing this game.

Funny, I just did hear it from you...

[Packerarcher]

Given the level of competition Brett looked about a 100 times better than Rodgers as he has all season. The Vikes loss today was NOT Favres fault,there may be a game this year that is but today wasn't. It's funny that there are a number of you here talking of Favres late season decline. Rodgers will not have a decline because while a decent QB,he isn't a winner. Claim stats all you want,W/L are all that matter.

[channtheman]

Would you be one of those blaming the refs for losing if this was the Packers? There was a clear bad call in the 4th that could have cost the Vikes the game. Not gonna hear that from me though. Nor would I say Favre was the reason for losing this game.

Funny, I just did hear it from you...

[Tony Oday]

Given the level of competition Brett looked about a 100 times better than Rodgers as he has all season. The Vikes loss today was NOT Favres fault,there may be a game this year that is but today wasn't. It's funny that there are a number of you here talking of Favres late season decline. Rodgers will not have a decline because while a decent QB,he isn't a winner. Claim stats all you want,W/L are all that matter.

well if AR is not a winner how does he have a winning record this year? You are blind in your analysis. Favre didn't lose this game by himself but he did lose it.

[MJZiggy]

Given the level of competition Brett looked about a 100 times better than Rodgers as he has all season. The Vikes loss today was NOT Favres fault,there may be a game this year that is but today wasn't. It's funny that there are a number of you here talking of Favres late season decline. Rodgers will not have a decline because while a decent QB,he isn't a winner. Claim stats all you want,W/L are all that matter.

If that's your logic, what's your excuse for Favre's 4-12 season? It all comes back to the same stuff. TEAMS win games. If Rodgers isn't, then by your own logic, neither is Favre. I'm sick of hearing that BS.

[mngolf19]

Would you be one of those blaming the refs for losing if this was the Packers? There was a clear bad call in the 4th that could have cost the Vikes the game. Not gonna hear that from me though. Nor would I say Favre was the reason for losing this game.

Funny, I just did hear it from you...

Stop poking me with a stick. My team lost.

[Packerarcher]

If that's your logic, what's your excuse for Favre's 4-12 season? It all comes back to the same stuff. TEAMS win games. If Rodgers isn't, then by your own logic, neither is Favre. I'm sick of hearing that BS.[/quote]

Thank you,you have helped prove a point that I have said here forever. Many here LOVE to blame Favre for some big losses in GB when in fact it was a TEAM effort. Just as a win is,but people are very quick to point fingers and especially at Brett now that he is a Vike. By the way I like Rodgers and think he will be a very good QB. He will NEVER be a Favre,but that's apples to oranges.

[The Shadow]

Given the level of competition Brett looked about a 100 times better than Rodgers as he has all season. The Vikes loss today was NOT Favres fault,there may be a game this year that is but today wasn't. It's funny that there are a number of you here talking of Favres late season decline. Rodgers will not have a decline because while a decent QB,he isn't a winner. Claim stats all you want,W/L are all that matter.

Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo!

[pbmax]

Given the level of competition Brett looked about a 100 times better than Rodgers as he has all season. The Vikes loss today was NOT Favres fault,there may be a game this year that is but today wasn't. It's funny that there are a number of you here talking of Favres late season decline. Rodgers will not have a decline because while a decent QB,he isn't a winner. Claim stats all you want,W/L are all that matter.

That's genius thinking right there. Its the same strategy all of the game's top GM/owners have used. Snyder, Jones, Wilson, Tannenbaum.

Of course, its beyond the ken of mere mortals like we message board posters to divine that to create a winning team, you might need to look deeper than Wins and Losses at the professional level. Talent, health and performance might make up a part of winning.

But I am sure you are right; what do we know? The Broncos must be the best team in the NFL right now. We can just stop playing and hand them the Lombardi.

[MJZiggy]

If that's your logic, what's your excuse for Favre's 4-12 season? It all comes back to the same stuff. TEAMS win games. If Rodgers isn't, then by your own logic, neither is Favre. I'm sick of hearing that BS.

Thank you,you have helped prove a point that I have said here forever. Many here LOVE to blame Favre for some big losses in GB when in fact it was a TEAM effort. Just as a win is,but people are very quick to point fingers and especially at Brett now that he is a Vike. By the way I like Rodgers and think he will be a very good QB. He will NEVER be a Favre,but that's apples to oranges.[/quote]

Don't give me that crap. You're trying to say a guy at the end of his career who's had all the time in the world to prove himself is apples to oranges with a young, smart, intense QB in his second year starting. You're right. But not for the reasons you think. You have no idea what Rodgers will have accomplished by the time he's Favre's age. What Rodgers knows, he knows through smarts. What Favre knows, he knows through experience. But if Favre gets the team excuse for 4-12, so does Rodgers for last season. Favre also went 8-8 under Rhodes. Must be an average QB then. If Favre was so great, why was he screaming for "weapons" his last year or two here? Rodgers seems to be doing just fine without them.

[Packerarcher]

If that's your logic, what's your excuse for Favre's 4-12 season? It all comes back to the same stuff. TEAMS win games. If Rodgers isn't, then by your own logic, neither is Favre. I'm sick of hearing that BS.

Thank you,you have helped prove a point that I have said here forever. Many here LOVE to blame Favre for some big losses in GB when in fact it was a TEAM effort. Just as a win is,but people are very quick to point fingers and especially at Brett now that he is a Vike. By the way I like Rodgers and think he will be a very good QB. He will NEVER be a Favre,but that's apples to oranges.

Don't give me that crap. You're trying to say a guy at the end of his career who's had all the time in the world to prove himself is apples to oranges with a young, smart, intense QB in his second year starting. You're right. But not for the reasons you think. You have no idea what Rodgers will have accomplished by the time he's Favre's age. What Rodgers knows, he knows through smarts. What Favre knows, he knows through experience. But if Favre gets the team excuse for 4-12, so does Rodgers for last season. Favre also went 8-8 under Rhodes. Must be an average QB then. If Favre was so great, why was he screaming for "weapons" his last year or two here? Rodgers seems to be doing just fine without them.[/quote]

Actually what I meant by the apples to oranges comment was that they are two different types of QB's. Did you really read my post? I said Rodgers will be a great QB,but never a Favre. Let's face it Brett has to many untangables that you can't coach/learn.

[digitaldean]

Were there years that Favre could have had more weapons? Sure, Ron Wolf said as much and that was his own fault.

And no, Favre didn't single handedly blow the Eagles playoff game or the Giants NFCC game. Coaching gaffes and other players on the defense had a large hand in that.

But let's not kid ourselves, either. Favre's inexplicable hail mary during the Eagles OT playoff loss and the well photographed INT vs. the Giants in the NFCC game weren't anyone else's fault but his own.

Favre made his rep on spectacular play, playing when hurt and rifling a ball in an area that no other QB could hit (e.g., the game at Lambeau vs. the Bengals in '96). Plus some of the plays he made in the 2007 reg. season.

What ran Favre out of here was his incessant Divaness and waffling about retirement. The Packers didn't want to lose Rodgers to FA so they needed an answer. The Packers didn't dump Favre in the offseason, he retired.

AR has shown poise the past 2 seasons. He probably won't be a HOF QB, but VERY few are. But he can be an elite QB that can lead a team to a title.

[Bossman641]

Were there years that Favre could have had more weapons? Sure, Ron Wolf said as much and that was his own fault.

And no, Favre didn't single handedly blow the Eagles playoff game or the Giants NFCC game. Coaching gaffes and other players on the defense had a large hand in that.

But let's not kid ourselves, either. Favre's inexplicable hail mary during the Eagles OT playoff loss and the well photographed INT vs. the Giants in the NFCC game weren't anyone else's fault but his own.

Favre made his rep on spectacular play, playing when hurt and rifling a ball in an area that no other QB could hit (e.g., the game at Lambeau vs. the Bengals in '96). Plus some of the plays he made in the 2007 reg. season.

What ran Favre out of here was his incessant Divaness and waffling about retirement. The Packers didn't want to lose Rodgers to FA so they needed an answer. The Packers didn't dump Favre in the offseason, he retired.

AR has shown poise the past 2 seasons. He probably won't be a HOF QB, but VERY few are. But he can be an elite QB that can lead a team to a title.

And I'd just like to add that I love Rodgers