OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

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Honestly, you don't know nearly as much about the Eagles as you think you do if you don't know about Reid's horrible game management skills.

Look at the SB alone. They were down 2 scores or something and didn't even try hurry-up.

You're entitled to your opinion, I don't care. Pretty tough to argue that Reid isn't a premiere coach when looking at his team's history. Off the top of my head the only person with more recent post season success is the man in NE...

Andy Reid is 10 and 7 in the playoffs. You are going to make me look this up aren't you?

Most people have losing records in the playoffs PB. I'm not going to try to quantify anything and argue about it. I think he's a great coach. If others don't, they're entitled to their opinion. I don't have any fancy numbers or ballyhoo to back up my thought process.

I also think McNabb is probably the best QB in the NFC and most of the numbers don't support this.

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Bill Belichick.......15....4....0.789
Mike Tomlin........3.....1....0.75
Ken Whisenhunt..3.....1....0.75
Joe Gibbs...........17....7....0.708
John Harbaugh....2.....1....0.667
John Fox.............5.....3....0.625
Brian Billick .......5......3....0.625
Mike Shanahan....8.....5....0.615
Andy Reid..........10....7....0.588
Bill Parcells.........11...8.... 0.579
Norv Turner........4......3....0.571
Bill Cowher.........12....9....0.571
Jon Gruden.........5......4....0.556
Mike Holmgren....13....11...0.542
Tom Coughlin.....8......7.....0.533

Good stuff right here. Kinda gotta throw out a few guys like Wiz and Harbs for only doing it once, but this is a solid list.

[Fosco33]

Read some MN homer saying they were a legwhip from a perfect season... what about miracle pass and missed raven FG? I'd say you were 2 lucky breaks from 8-3 with GB on your tail...

[Fosco33]

Bill Belichick.......15....4....0.789
Mike Tomlin........3.....1....0.75
Ken Whisenhunt..3.....1....0.75
Joe Gibbs...........17....7....0.708
John Harbaugh....2.....1....0.667
John Fox.............5.....3....0.625
Brian Billick .......5......3....0.625
Mike Shanahan....8.....5....0.615
Andy Reid..........10....7....0.588
Bill Parcells.........11...8.... 0.579
Norv Turner........4......3....0.571
Bill Cowher.........12....9....0.571
Jon Gruden.........5......4....0.556
Mike Holmgren....13....11...0.542
Tom Coughlin.....8......7.....0.533

Good stuff right here. Kinda gotta throw out a few guys like Wiz and Harbs for only doing it once, but this is a solid list.

I'm changing my name to mike. bill or john/jon. :P

[pbmax]

Honestly, you don't know nearly as much about the Eagles as you think you do if you don't know about Reid's horrible game management skills.

Look at the SB alone. They were down 2 scores or something and didn't even try hurry-up.

You're entitled to your opinion, I don't care. Pretty tough to argue that Reid isn't a premiere coach when looking at his team's history. Off the top of my head the only person with more recent post season success is the man in NE...

Andy Reid is 10 and 7 in the playoffs. You are going to make me look this up aren't you?

Most people have losing records in the playoffs PB. I'm not going to try to quantify anything and argue about it. I think he's a great coach. If others don't, they're entitled to their opinion. I don't have any fancy numbers or ballyhoo to back up my thought process.

I also think McNabb is probably the best QB in the NFC and most of the numbers don't support this.

Most good coaches are right around 500.

[Bretsky]

Read some MN homer saying they were a legwhip from a perfect season... what about miracle pass and missed raven FG? I'd say you were 2 lucky breaks from 8-3 with GB on your tail...

I'd agree with this partially; they really deserved to beat Pitt but deserved to lose to San Fran. Baltimore was kind of a wash either way

[Rastak]

Read some MN homer saying they were a legwhip from a perfect season... what about miracle pass and missed raven FG? I'd say you were 2 lucky breaks from 8-3 with GB on your tail...

I thought the legwhip was a bad call but it happens, you get some you lose some. I thought the 49er's were lucky as hell getting a 10 point turnaround on the last play of the half, yet all we hear about is Favre's rope to win it. Ravens game was REALLY fortunate. They (Vikes) really fell apart after Winfield went out and they easily could have let that one slip away.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d814a5367&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Nothing but a number: At 40, Favre is at his best

Hit LINK for story.

Wilcots: Favre's impact

Where Brett Favre helps the Vikings win the most is his influence. With Favre on this team, he helps everyone else play better. They play better because they know they have No. 4. That higher level of plays means they actually don't have to rely on Favre as much.

His role, in a way, is as an inspirational motivator. The fact that he's there gives the Vikings an unspoken confidence that they'll win when they take the field. Now, everyone is playing harder. Everyone is playing better. Everyone is inspired. And at the end of the day, when they have a 14-point lead in the fourth quarter, do they really need Favre to win? I don't believe so.

With Favre there, this team knows it can win. I had a similar experience during our Super Bowl season in Cincinnati in 1988, when we belived we would win every time we took the field. The Vikings are one of four teams in the NFL who have that same swagger right now.

-- Solomon Wilcots

[woodbuck27]

Cardinals-Vikings showdown is one of several set for Week 13
NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d814a6333&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Minnesota at Arizona

Storyline... Did you know?

Series leader: The Vikings hold a 12-9 all-time edge, including the playoffs.
Streaks: Minnesota has won seven of the last eight.

The NFL's two sage old quarterbacks, both future Hall of Famers, square off again, possibly for the last time. That is, if Kurt Warner plays against Brett Favre. At this point Warner may end up missing another game with concussion symptoms, which would change everything. Yes, Matt Leinart fared well last week, but with Antoine Winfield likely back for the Vikings, the corners might be able to pick on the novice quarterback. A win for the Vikings essentially clinches the division and would give them a tiebreaker that would put in them in great shape for securing a top-two seed and a bye.

Favre just keeps blowing through teams and making his receivers look like stars. He's having an MVP season.


** Minnesota's Percy Harvin leads all rookies with seven touchdowns.

** Brett Favre will set the NFL record for an every down player with his 283rd consecutive game played .

** Arizona's Beanie Wells leads all rookies with four rushing touchdowns.

[BallHawk]

Maybe Favre the Great can give All Day some driving lessons?

109 in a 55 mph zone.

He makes Koren Robinson look like an old woman.

[MichiganPackerFan]

He makes Koren Robinson look like an old woman.

What is with those Vikings, first Chilly in drag and now this?

[channtheman]

Maybe Favre the Great can give All Day some driving lessons?

109 in a 55 mph zone.

He makes Koren Robinson look like an old woman.

Peterson told The Associated Press on Thursday that he "got a little speeding ticket. I need to be more aware of the speed I was going and not let it happen again."

Uhh yeah no shit you need to be a little bit more aware when you're going over 100.

[woodbuck27]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Week-12-NFL-Quarterback-Power-Rankings?urn=nfl,205809

** Who would ever have predicted that Brett Favre would actually be into MVP consideration this season? 2874 yards passing - 261.3 yards per game - 8.0 yards per attempt - 24 TD's (he had 28 TD's in 2007) - 3 picks - QBR = 112.1.

Now factor in the fact that Adrian Peterson is the Vikings RB.

** That coming to the three quarter point of this season he'd have only one QB ranked above him? Drew Brees's QBR = 112.6 amongst other considerations.

** That after 11 games he would have 'only three picks'?

** That based on Quarterback Rating alone (112.1). He would be having a (by a huge margin). A career year? In 2007 his QBR was 95.7. Last season with the NY Jets it was 81.

** That his arm would be as strong as we've seen this season?

** That his leadership skills and resolve on and off the field would have determined such results as we've witnessed this season? I say ' let that pony go and the result will be wins '. Brett Favre looks to be on a mission. It's ' just ' one game at a time.

[MOBB DEEP]

its AMAZN that ppl are saying Brett is playing the best he ever has! Not sure i agree but its great to hear him FINALLY getting some love after all these years

I really hope Warner plays today (game time decision) since he and brett are the two old heads in the NFL gettn it done

Plus since Kurt is a man of God/faith, its only fitting that he gets in the presence of the LORD...he he....

Happy Holidays ppl

John 16:33.....lovely that Tebow had this AWESOME scripture on his eye black!

[gex]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d814a5367&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Nothing but a number: At 40, Favre is at his best

Hit LINK for story.

Wilcots: Favre's impact

Where Brett Favre helps the Vikings win the most is his influence. With Favre on this team, he helps everyone else play better. They play better because they know they have No. 4. That higher level of plays means they actually don't have to rely on Favre as much.

His role, in a way, is as an inspirational motivator. The fact that he's there gives the Vikings an unspoken confidence that they'll win when they take the field. Now, everyone is playing harder. Everyone is playing better. Everyone is inspired. And at the end of the day, when they have a 14-point lead in the fourth quarter, do they really need Favre to win? I don't believe so.

With Favre there, this team knows it can win. I had a similar experience during our Super Bowl season in Cincinnati in 1988, when we belived we would win every time we took the field. The Vikings are one of four teams in the NFL who have that same swagger right now.

-- Solomon Wilcots

I thought we officially debunked and disproved this theory here?

Seriously tho, that is what the old man brings....Inspiration to both sides of the ball.... and a cannon arm that can throw it on a frozen rope 50 yards downfield while backpedalling with a 300pound defensive end wrapped around his waist