OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

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I, the Lord, have spoken.,...

Better numbers in the 1st half than Peyton had all game!

4 MVPs?

Co-MVPS imo. They'll split it and each have 4 after the year.

Scary to think we gave away an MVP for a 3rd round pcik I understand the situation, but still, eye opening nonetheless.

[Chevelle2]

I, the Lord, have spoken.,...

Better numbers in the 1st half than Peyton had all game!

4 MVPs?

Co-MVPS imo. They'll split it and each have 4 after the year.

Scary to think we gave away an MVP for a 3rd round pcik I understand the situation, but still, eye opening nonetheless.

He hasn't received the MVP yet.

[Bretsky]

We took a 3rd round pick to keep him away from the Vikings for a year
It seemed to work out alright since we were able to package it to move up for Clay Matthews.

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We took a 3rd round pick to keep him away from the Vikings for a year
It seemed to work out alright since we were able to package it to move up for Clay Matthews.

I agree, and given the situation they got a deal. Just crazy to think about when looking at the lowest common denominator.

IMO, no matter what happened last year, it was happening this year regardless. ARod was playing this year no matter what, and he has played pleasantly well the past few weeks. He may be a gamer after all. Just gotta keep it up.

Clay is my favorite packer so I'm eternally grateful for the draft choice.

[Bretsky]

We took a 3rd round pick to keep him away from the Vikings for a year
It seemed to work out alright since we were able to package it to move up for Clay Matthews.

I agree, and given the situation they got a deal. Just crazy to think about when looking at the lowest common denominator.

IMO, no matter what happened last year, it was happening this year regardless. ARod was playing this year no matter what, and he has played pleasantly well the past few weeks. He may be a gamer after all. Just gotta keep it up.

Clay is my favorite packer so I'm eternally grateful for the draft choice.

There is the saving grace; without the Favre trade we never draft Clay Matthews

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Lord have Percy

[th87]

Is there justice in football?

Favre is FINALLY playing exactly like we had hoped he would all these years. Only it's with the Vikings.

That stings.

[channtheman]

Is there justice in football?

Favre is FINALLY playing exactly like we had hoped he would all these years. Only it's with the Vikings.

That stings.

He's finally playing in the system. First year he's ever done that.

[Bossman641]

I'm hoping his 40 year old body breaks down....hoping....

I'm hoping he wins a super bowl, personally. I still think the Eagles are gonna represent the NFC, though.

Just out of curiosity, what has you so high on the Eagles?

Game speed. Best QB in the NFC. Great coach. A young team starting to peak. Many things really. They're not dominant but they're crafty and can close.

They were my preseason pick and I will ride them until they fail.

Great coach? Maybe during the week but he is horrible in-game.

I think they are a decent team but we have different definitions of peaking - they barely beat an awful WASH team today and inched by the Bears last week.

You're crazy. You don't get to 5 NFC Championship games by being a bad in-game coach. He's in the upper echelon of coaches.

We'll learn more about them the next few weeks.

I think there is a chance they go 4-1 to end the season despite a ridiculously difficult schedule. 3-2 should get them in I'd think.

Honestly, you don't know nearly as much about the Eagles as you think you do if you don't know about Reid's horrible game management skills.

Look at the SB alone. They were down 2 scores or something and didn't even try hurry-up.

[th87]

Is there justice in football?

Favre is FINALLY playing exactly like we had hoped he would all these years. Only it's with the Vikings.

That stings.

He's finally playing in the system. First year he's ever done that.

Makes me lower my esteem of him further.

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Will brett set personal best of 403 yards?

[MJZiggy]

When was the 402 game?

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Is there justice in football?

Favre is FINALLY playing exactly like we had hoped he would all these years. Only it's with the Vikings.

That stings.

He's finally playing in the system. First year he's ever done that.

Makes me lower my esteem of him further.

Because he intentionaly played "poorly" for the pack?

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When was the 402 game?

YARDS!

[green_bowl_packer]

I'm hoping his 40 year old body breaks down....hoping....

I'm hoping he wins a super bowl, personally. I still think the Eagles are gonna represent the NFC, though.

Just out of curiosity, what has you so high on the Eagles?

Game speed. Best QB in the NFC. Great coach. A young team starting to peak. Many things really. They're not dominant but they're crafty and can close.

They were my preseason pick and I will ride them until they fail.

Great coach? Maybe during the week but he is horrible in-game.

I think they are a decent team but we have different definitions of peaking - they barely beat an awful WASH team today and inched by the Bears last week.

You're crazy. You don't get to 5 NFC Championship games by being a bad in-game coach. He's in the upper echelon of coaches.

We'll learn more about them the next few weeks.

I think there is a chance they go 4-1 to end the season despite a ridiculously difficult schedule. 3-2 should get them in I'd think.

Honestly, you don't know nearly as much about the Eagles as you think you do if you don't know about Reid's horrible game management skills.

Look at the SB alone. They were down 2 scores or something and didn't even try hurry-up.

true he suck's at managing the clock.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tavern-talk-NFLs-worst-game-manager.html

Tavern talk: NFL’s worst game manager

by Michael Lombardi
October 20, 02009
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I’d like to make an official announcement today:

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid is the winner of the best coach in the NFL to be the worst game manager of all time.

Andy Reid has won a lot of games in his career for being such a poor game manager.

Normally, bad coaches are bad game managers — it kind of goes hand in hand. The “Peter Principle” takes over for bad coaches, and the one area that can’t be hidden from fans is game management. Coaches’ ability to handle game situations is visible every Sunday, so those crunch-time decisions shed light on the kind of coach that’s running the team. Bad game managers become bad coaches because their decisions result in losses, which turn off fans and create doubt about the quality of the coach.

Andy Reid is the exception to the rule about bad coaches and bad game managers going hand in hand. He’s a good coach. For someone who’s won 100 regular-season games, he continues to amaze me with his lack of regard for managing the game and giving his team a chance to win. Yet he’s won his share of games, in large part because of the talent of the late Jim Johnson, the Eagles defensive coordinator whose unit would frequently bail out Reid and his poor decisions.

Reid makes decisions that leave me asking WTF?! Last year in Cincinnati, in a classic overtime game, he dazzled me with his moves at the end of regulation and in overtime. In fact, NFL Network should put that game on its classic series to teach young kids who dream of becoming NFL coaches what not to do when it comes to game management. The back and forth between Reid and Bengals coach Marvin Lewis will one day be part of a class lecture taught by own Bob Boland at NY U. Bobb McKittrick, the renown 49ers offensive line coach, once told me as we flew back from the Senior Bowl, “Young man, you can learn as much from what not to do as you can learn from what to do.”

I know Reid is smart. I know he works hard and is well-informed. But I also know he’s the worst game manager currently in the NFL. Sunday against the Raiders, he nailed down the title.

Donovan McNabbAPEagles QB Donovan McNabb couldn't deliver the road win in Oakland on Sunday.

There are some in Philadelphia – a cynical city, for sure -- who might feel that Reid is overrated as a coach. There’s some merit to that, especially when you consider that since their Super Bowl appearance in 2004, the Eagles are 36-32-1. They haven’t dominated the NFL, but they’ve been to the playoffs twice, including one conference championship game, since their bowl appearance. A little balance is always a good thing, especially in Philadelphia.

And for the record, I feel the Eagles should extend Reid’s contract because he’s a good coach. However, there should be one caveat. They should insist he bring someone from the outside to assist him, especially on game days with alternative ways to manage the game. It should be someone who won’t be intimidated by Reid and can make independent recommendations, not just tell him what he wants to hear like many do in Philadelphia.

How did Reid earn this title? With many of his game-gasping management decisions – and none more gasping than this one on Sunday. We start with the Eagles, down 13-9, getting the ball with 3:42 to go in the game and having all their timeouts.

Philadelphia Eagles at 3:42

1-10-PHI 20 (3:42) D.McNabb pass short middle to B.Westbrook to PHI 28 for 8 yards (T.Howard).

2-2-PHI 28 (3:17) B.Westbrook left tackle to PHI 39 for 11 yards (M.Huff). R13

1-10-PHI 39 (2:52) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short middle to D.Jackson to OAK 49 for 12 yards (T.Branch). P14

1-10-OAK 49 (2:45) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to D.Jackson.

2-10-OAK 49 (2:36) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep middle to J.Avant.

3-10-OAK 49 (2:32) (Shotgun) D.McNabb scrambles up the middle to OAK 43 for 6 yards (M.Huff).

Brian WestbrookAPEagles RB Brian Westbrook

THIS PLAY CALL IS UNDERSTOOD. THEY ARE IN FOUR-DOWN TERRITORY.

Timeout #1 by PHI at 02:21.

HAVE TO TAKE THE TIMEOUT HERE TO REGROUP. NEED TO GET THE FIRST DOWN.

4-4-OAK 43 (2:21) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to D.Jackson.

Oakland Raiders at 2:14

CHANGE OF POSSESSION STOPS THE CLOCK. AT THIS POINT, BEFORE SENDING THE DEFENSE BACK ON THE FIELD, YOU MUST TELL THEM TO CALL A TIMEOUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIRST RUN.

1-10-OAK 44 (2:14) J.Fargas right tackle to OAK 46 for 2 yards (B.Bunkley).

Timeout #2 by PHI at 02:10.

NOW, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE PLAYERS TO LET THE PLAY CLOCK WORK DOWN. WE WANT THE RAIDERS TO HAVE TO RUN THE BALL, AND THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE A RUN IS TO LET THE CLOCK HIT THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING. IF THE PLAY CLOCK STOPS WITH ONE SECOND LEFT, AT 2:09, CALL TIME OUT. BUT ONCE THE CLOCK PASSES 2:08, LET IT GO TO THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING, WHICH WILL FORCE THE RAIDERS TO RUN ONE MORE TIME.

2-8-OAK 46 (2:10) J.Fargas up the middle to OAK 44 for -2 yards (T.Cole).

Timeout #3 by PHI at 02:02.

HEAD SCRATCHER. NOW REID HAS ALLOWED THE RAIDERS THE OPTION TO RUN OR PASS WITHOUT CAUSING ANY HARM AND FORCING HIS DEFENSE TO DEFEND THE ENTIRE OFFENSIVE PLAYBOOK. THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE.

3-10-OAK 44 (2:02) J.Russell pass short right to G.Russell to PHI 43 for 13 yards (J.Trotter). P17

Richard SeymourAPRichard Seymour and the Raiders were able to celebrate a victory when the clock expired.

Two-Minute Warning

WOULD NEVER HAVE CALLED A PASS HERE HAD IT NOT BEEN BEFORE THE TWO MINUTE. THIS COST THE EAGLES A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME — BY GETTING THE BALL BACK. MAYBE YOU COULD ARGUE A PLAYER CALLED TIMEOUT BY MISTAKE, BUT THE TIMEOUT BEFORE, THE COACHES SHOULD HAVE GONE OVER THIS SITUATION. IT WAS SO WEIRD THAT WHEN YOU WATCH THE TV REPLAY OF THE GAME, THEY HAD THE CLOCK GO DOWN TO THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING, NEVER THINKING THE EAGLES HAD CALLED TIMEOUT. I HAD TO REWATCH IT FIVE TIMES. THE ANNOUNCERS NEVER ADDRESSED THE RUN PASS.

1-10-PHI 43 (1:55) J.Fargas left tackle to PHI 46 for -3 yards (T.Laws).

2-13-PHI 46 (1:13) J.Russell kneels to PHI 47 for -1 yards.

PENALTY on PHI-D.Howard, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at PHI 47.

All of Philadelphia is on Reid for his play-calling and lack of halftime adjustments from the Raiders game, and here are some of his responses to those questions. Reid on WIP. Yet for me, the disappointment doesn’t come from Reid’s failure to keep the run-pass ratio in order but his lack of understanding of how to manage the game -- especially now that Jim Johnson isn’t around to bail him out.