OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Freak Out]

This thread really does need to morph into the Packer SB run thread.

[mraynrand]

you know whats so great about favre just "giving" strahan that sack for the record without fighting or avoiding it like usual... is that Peyton Manning has that same sort of picture like, 10 times a year, where instead of trying to avoid the sack he just lays down.

Favre gets criticized, Manning is being called smart.


Interesting take.

Sorry, but I have to chime in here: This kills any credibility you might have as to objectively evaluating Favre - and possibly everything else in football.

[mraynrand]

The ultimate season, as it relates to Bert. . .

1. Packers win SB
2. Rodgers gets SB MVP
3. Rodgers gets league MVP
4. We beat Vikings twice
5. Rodgers outperforms Favre in both games


That would be the ultimate good riddance to Bert Farce.

It would be the ultimate, but all the Packers have to have is a home victory over the Vikings. Can't lose a home divisional game to a good rival. It severely damages your season. Look at the difference had the Packers won that game last year...

[HowardRoark]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:

Favre Speaks To Men's Health
By Bill Michaels
Portions of this stroy were reported by the AP, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Access Vikings and USA Today.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre tells Men's Journal magazine that playing another year "probably isn't going to make a difference" when it comes to his long-term health.
Favre tells the magazine that enough damage has already been done to his body. The issue comes out on Friday.
The Vikings are still waiting to learn whether Favre will return for a 20th NFL season. His agent, Bus Cook, tells The Associated Press in an e-mail that he has no update on Favre's status.
Favre is scheduled to appear at the ESPY Awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. He has four nominations.

Star Tribune / USA Today -- Favre spoke of his final discussions with the Packers, prior to his trade to the Jets, "There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa. I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and Bus tell me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out."

Access Vikings received an advanced copy (don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll get mine very soon) of Brett Favre’s interview in Men’s Health which will be released on Friday. Chip Scoggins’ snippets of the story are fairly revealing and have sold at least one more copy of Men’s Health (if they don’t get that advanced copy to me, that is).

The story includes a firsthand account of Favre’s agent Bus Cook going bonkers over the fact that Favre decided to tell ESPN’s Ed Werder about his ankle surgery. The story goes on to chronicle the phone call from the clueless Brad Childress inquiring about the surgery.

Favre also seems to still be smarting from the loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, and speaks at length about the ill advised interception that ended the Vikings hopes of winning in regulation.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Favre was criticized for taking a gamble at such a crucial time. Rodrick wrote: “Some say it’s the Football Gods settling the score for his yearly tease.”

Responded Favre to the criticism: “They were the same people who said I’d suck all season. I don’t worry about that. A lot of plays go into a game; that was just one of them.”

However, Rodrick writes that Favre brought the subject up again a different day.

“Sometimes I say to myself, An interception? A whole year of making great decisions and it ends on an interception? You have got to be kidding me.”

The most touching quote (and, no, that isn’t sarcasm) comes when he speaks about what the 2010 season meant to him.

“I’ve had games when I almost threw seven picks,” Favre told Rodrick, laughing. “It was unreal. Before last year, I’d reached a point where I was sitting in meetings with guys 15 years younger than me thinking, What the hell am I doing here? Football became work. But last year it went back to being a game.”

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:

Figures.

[Pugger]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:

Favre Speaks To Men's Health
By Bill Michaels
Portions of this stroy were reported by the AP, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Access Vikings and USA Today.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre tells Men's Journal magazine that playing another year "probably isn't going to make a difference" when it comes to his long-term health.
Favre tells the magazine that enough damage has already been done to his body. The issue comes out on Friday.
The Vikings are still waiting to learn whether Favre will return for a 20th NFL season. His agent, Bus Cook, tells The Associated Press in an e-mail that he has no update on Favre's status.
Favre is scheduled to appear at the ESPY Awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. He has four nominations.

Star Tribune / USA Today -- Favre spoke of his final discussions with the Packers, prior to his trade to the Jets, "There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa. I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and Bus tell me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out."

Access Vikings received an advanced copy (don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll get mine very soon) of Brett Favre’s interview in Men’s Health which will be released on Friday. Chip Scoggins’ snippets of the story are fairly revealing and have sold at least one more copy of Men’s Health (if they don’t get that advanced copy to me, that is).

The story includes a firsthand account of Favre’s agent Bus Cook going bonkers over the fact that Favre decided to tell ESPN’s Ed Werder about his ankle surgery. The story goes on to chronicle the phone call from the clueless Brad Childress inquiring about the surgery.

Favre also seems to still be smarting from the loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, and speaks at length about the ill advised interception that ended the Vikings hopes of winning in regulation.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Favre was criticized for taking a gamble at such a crucial time. Rodrick wrote: “Some say it’s the Football Gods settling the score for his yearly tease.”

Responded Favre to the criticism: “They were the same people who said I’d suck all season. I don’t worry about that. A lot of plays go into a game; that was just one of them.”

However, Rodrick writes that Favre brought the subject up again a different day.

“Sometimes I say to myself, An interception? A whole year of making great decisions and it ends on an interception? You have got to be kidding me.”

The most touching quote (and, no, that isn’t sarcasm) comes when he speaks about what the 2010 season meant to him.

“I’ve had games when I almost threw seven picks,” Favre told Rodrick, laughing. “It was unreal. Before last year, I’d reached a point where I was sitting in meetings with guys 15 years younger than me thinking, What the hell am I doing here? Football became work. But last year it went back to being a game.”

Because he can't see or admit he made a mistake on that INT in New Orleans is the reason why he keeps making the same stupid throws in big games since 1997. This is his Achille's heel and will prevent him from being considered one of the top QBs in league history.

[Fritz]

I don't know if he isn't already considered one of the top QB's in league history, but I do agree that his unwillingness to reconsider his sometimes ill-advised throws has kept him from being as great as he could have been.

[sharpe1027]

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Just because it worked once before, doesn't excuse the throw. Throwing the ball back across the middle late is a bad idea, especially in the situation they were in. His excuse, especially the part where he seems to lay some of the blame on Rice, shows just how delusional/self-centered he can be.

[mraynrand]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

[Scott Campbell]

Just because it worked once before, doesn't excuse the throw.

A 50% interception rate would seem a bit high - even by his standards.

[packerbacker1234]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is. Yes he had his best season statistically ever, and he "stayed away" from the bad throws... or maybe he didn't? No one seemed to explore the fact that he still threw risky passes, and for what seemed like the first time since the 90's, they almost always worked.

That throw is excusable only if it was 100% necessary, like a 4th down need 8 yards or you lose situation. It wasn't excusable when it's a tie game and you at least have a fleeting shot at a very long FG.

Favre isn't why they lost, but he had a chance to lift his team late and he blew it.

I mean, naturally some of it is also on the WR - at least for the interception aspect. Like favre said, the week prior the same play happened and Rice came back TO the ball, and if he did that in the saints game he would of most likely broke up the int. To that, I agree, Rice should of broke back towards Favre and he just sort of stood there.

Favre is right in that regard. In terms of trying to defend the throw itself - there really is no defense for that decision, other than he is Brett Favre and this what he does. It had been working all season, hell look at the games against the packers where he threw TD passes into tripple coverage in tight games. It is what he is, and this is the downfall of how he plays.

He is a risk taker, a gun slinger, and a highly entertaining player on the field. He does stuff that just makes you go "WoW" - but that same stuff makes you go "man he is stupid" when it goes wrong.

He will be remembered as possibly the most entertaining and fun to watch QB to ever play, and as the biggest high risk, high reward thrower in the history of the game. He gets it to work more than anyone else who tries the same passes, and thats why he is still around and still putting up great #'s. It's also why he needs luck on his side to win another SB.

[Scott Campbell]

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is.

A one hit wonder.

[Bretsky]

mother in laws

[gex]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is. Yes he had his best season statistically ever, and he "stayed away" from the bad throws... or maybe he didn't? No one seemed to explore the fact that he still threw risky passes, and for what seemed like the first time since the 90's, they almost always worked.

That throw is excusable only if it was 100% necessary, like a 4th down need 8 yards or you lose situation. It wasn't excusable when it's a tie game and you at least have a fleeting shot at a very long FG.

Favre isn't why they lost, but he had a chance to lift his team late and he blew it.

I mean, naturally some of it is also on the WR - at least for the interception aspect. Like favre said, the week prior the same play happened and Rice came back TO the ball, and if he did that in the saints game he would of most likely broke up the int. To that, I agree, Rice should of broke back towards Favre and he just sort of stood there.

Favre is right in that regard. In terms of trying to defend the throw itself - there really is no defense for that decision, other than he is Brett Favre and this what he does. It had been working all season, hell look at the games against the packers where he threw TD passes into tripple coverage in tight games. It is what he is, and this is the downfall of how he plays.

He is a risk taker, a gun slinger, and a highly entertaining player on the field. He does stuff that just makes you go "WoW" - but that same stuff makes you go "man he is stupid" when it goes wrong.

He will be remembered as possibly the most entertaining and fun to watch QB to ever play, and as the biggest high risk, high reward thrower in the history of the game. He gets it to work more than anyone else who tries the same passes, and thats why he is still around and still putting up great #'s. It's also why he needs luck on his side to win another SB.

Right on!

[Pugger]

I don't know if he isn't already considered one of the top QB's in league history, but I do agree that his unwillingness to reconsider his sometimes ill-advised throws has kept him from being as great as he could have been.

Maybe I should have said top FIVE...