OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[mraynrand]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

[ThunderDan]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from the Promised Land.

You missed my sarcasm. I meant literally that Ted Thompson failed to surround Lebron with the talent he needed to win.

THANKSTED

Another franchise ruined by TT!!!

[packerbacker1234]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

Yeah, Favre's relatives were actually worse then favre himself. I was actually surprised "how little" favre really said over the last 3 seasons, and how much his family keeps speaking up in his stead (especially in 2007). It's rather silly, but of course the family, as selfish people, want some spotlight on Sportscenter. lol

Like I said, players retire and unretire all the time in the NFL, so the fact favre did it twice, especially given his age, really isn't much of a shocker. The only team event that matters is showing up on sunday (or thursday, or saturday... thanks NFL network).

Hey, we critique players daily, and would still most likely do so if we were also NFL players. Were human, ermember? I don't fault brett for speaking out about silly things like Javon Walker's crap, because really he had a point. Sure, Favre may have been worse, but that doesn't lessen the truth about his previous critiques. And, it's not as if his critiques were really all that bad anyways. It wasn't like T.O. who threw McNabb under the bus after the Super Bowl.

Lebron is who he is. He wants rings. Cavs fans thinking their was any chacne Lebron comes back as a FA when the cavs signed, litterally, nobody with all the big stars out there, should of been a telling sign he is leaving.

[Bossman641]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

Yeah, Favre's relatives were actually worse then favre himself. I was actually surprised "how little" favre really said over the last 3 seasons, and how much his family keeps speaking up in his stead (especially in 2007). It's rather silly, but of course the family, as selfish people, want some spotlight on Sportscenter. lol

Like I said, players retire and unretire all the time in the NFL, so the fact favre did it twice, especially given his age, really isn't much of a shocker. The only team event that matters is showing up on sunday (or thursday, or saturday... thanks NFL network).

Hey, we critique players daily, and would still most likely do so if we were also NFL players. Were human, ermember? I don't fault brett for speaking out about silly things like Javon Walker's crap, because really he had a point. Sure, Favre may have been worse, but that doesn't lessen the truth about his previous critiques. And, it's not as if his critiques were really all that bad anyways. It wasn't like T.O. who threw McNabb under the bus after the Super Bowl.

Lebron is who he is. He wants rings. Cavs fans thinking their was any chacne Lebron comes back as a FA when the cavs signed, litterally, nobody with all the big stars out there, should of been a telling sign he is leaving.

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

[swede]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

[Bretsky]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

[swede]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

[Bretsky]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

actually they are meeting with Derek Fischer this week

[retailguy]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

EZ.....

The Denver Broncos school of cap management.

[ThunderDan]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

They have 5 players under contract. That's it. Same as a NFL team having 23 players because of cap issues.

Miami may be able to sign 1 more resoanable contract. The rest will be league minimums to fill the roster.

[mraynrand]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

They have 5 players under contract. That's it. Same as a NFL team having 23 players because of cap issues.

Miami may be able to sign 1 more resoanable contract. The rest will be league minimums to fill the roster.

Where o where is their Bill Cartwright or Kurt Rambis?

[Joemailman]

Since we allow only 1 Favre thread, shouldn't this just be a Favre thread? We already have a Lebron thread in the RR. Just my humble opinion.

http://bettingblogger.com/brett-favre-odds/

Prop bets on Favre. Interesting that Vikes odds of winning NFC are better with Favre than without, but odds of winning Super Bowl are worse with Favre than without.>

[swede]

LeBron and Brett, loyalty and freedom, revenge and pride: this digression is just another facet that reflects the universality of the Brett Favre story. In the end, every story is Brett's story.

[Bossman641]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

actually they are meeting with Derek Fischer this week

Fischer resigned with the Lakers.

And now, to get back on topic, Favre worked out with the high schoolers today. The charade continues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5373798

[MadScientist]

And now, to get back on topic, Favre worked out with the high schoolers today. The charade continues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5373798

Ah that Favre double standard again. He can play with high school boys with people barely raising an eyebrow, but when Chewy played with HS girls, he got into a heap of trouble.