OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Pugger]

I was actually thinking along the lines of Packerbacker1234's first post - gee, isn't that everyone's strategy for every QB? - when I read Patler's and Lurker's assessments. And they both explain it well.

So I agree with them - this is, in some respects, a new strategy.

As for Packerbacker's claim that Favre has finally learned to play smartly, may I be the first to politely suggest that you go back and take a look at the last pass Favre threw last season?

SUre it was a poor decision, but of any time in his career to make a bad choice, that was one time I just can't blame him per say. THere was a penalty the play before that even put the ball in his hands, he already HAD THEM in position to win with what is a easily makeable FG for Longwell, and the coaches screwed that one up.

The pass was a bad decision, but the man was beaten. All day long. He played very well, especially given the damaging, and illegal, hits he was taking. He should of ran, should of thrown it away, should of never one back across his body - but man, I was surprised he was still standing at that point. They already had the game won and the coaches fuck up was far more inexcusable than favre's. You do NOT get a 12 man in the huddle penalty when your in game winning FG range. Ever. There is no excuse. At least favre can say he was "trying to make a play".


Seriously, if I am a vikings fan, I would of been calling for the OC's head for that 12 man penalty, or whoever the fuck was in control of it, be it childress, or whatever> just like against philly for us the one year on 4th and 27 - I blame the defensive coordinator for that loss, not favre. Favre should not be required to win you every game, especially after he already did what he needed to do TO win.

Geez Louise, 1234. Had Favre not had a major brain fart and just stumbled forward I have a feeling Longwell would have made the game winning FG and made OT not necessary. I know you won't do it, but most observers blame Favre for doing what he has done too many times in his career = thrown dumb interceptions in big games. The 12 men in the huddle was stupidity of the highest order and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that was on Chilly. But it was only one man's fault for what happened after that. If you look at replays of that infamous throw he could instead have limped forward at least 5 yards instead of turning it over. I saw a YouTube of someone who posted a video of Viking fans watching that game and you hear some of them yell at the screen "What?? He's gonna PASS??"

[Tony Oday]

Favre likes to end the season on an INT...just look at the last three years...

[swede]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the way to beat any good QB is to go after them? People act like this is some new strategy or something to beat Favre - welcome to the NFL folks. You ALWAYS go after good QB's, no matter the age. Thats how you win.

I remember Dan Marino answering a reporter who asked if he was prepared for the next opponent's stated determination to get to Marino during the game.

He said, "So now they're really REALLY going to try to sack me?"

[woodbuck27]

Favre has choked more often than any other great QB in NFL history.

The horrible game losing interception against Dallas in the 1995 NFC Title Game when the Packers were driving for the lead in the 4th quarter

The poor throw to Chewy on 4th down in the Super Bowl against Denver

The 6 interceptions against the Rams (I don't put the blame for this much on him)

The dud against the Vikings (epitomized by the I'd rather underhand it three yards past the LOS than get hit)

The dud in his showdown against Michael Vick (first home playoff loss in Packers history)

The game losing interception heave to avoid getting hit against Philadelphia

The game losing interception on a poor throw to an open Donald Driver against the Giants

The game losing interception on a throw across his body in last year's NFC Title Game

" The game losing interception on a throw across his body in last year's NFC Title Game. " HarveyWallbangers

Really Harvey. Was that the play that lost that game? It wasn't a pick taken to the house man,was it? The Saints merely gained possession of the ball on a turnover and the game resumed. Is my memory so bad that, as I thought, that NFC Championship game went on into OT after that pick?

Darn as I saw it if the Vikings had played it out perfectly and not made the bobbles they did prior to the pick that game never gets to OT. They win by 10 points, even considering that Favre pick all else remaining the same.

See that's what really puzzles me about many of 'your type and support' here Harvey. You have to find anything you can to demean Brett Favre. Make him the goat and ignore the whole picture. Favre's now damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Brett Favre's not a perfect human being. Are you perfect Harvey? I'm only aware of one former human being that was reported as such *.

* PERFECT.

GO PACK GO in 2010-11.

[woodbuck27]

I seriously fucking hate Favre. I have a really hard time trying to figure out how Mobb, Gex, Packerbacker, etc can still defend this guy.

Ahhhhh well it's like this. Some of us really can't hate man. I don't mean to stand in and speak for fine men, but just maybe, it's something like this; or the way I operate or 'at least' sincerely try to operate in my humble life.

*We've a better tuned psyche that includes such positives as compassion, forgiveness.

* We view the sport of football as more entertainment then a life and death struggle.

* Hate isn't a word that is in our vocabulary or is ever used as it demonstrates sincere weakness and a poor reflection on our spirit and soul.

** We look at liife in terms of ' the Big Picture ' and see our lives on down the road as a reflection of who we are today in the most truthful and meaningful sense.

Taken that ** as a given. How could we possibly hate a man that helped bring the Green Bay Packers out of the proverbial aligator swamp? Hate a man that has, as a QB, won so many victories?Set so many passing records? Well when we discuss this aspect of Favre's career. Set all significant passing records and 'the beat goes on'.

* Hate a man, that is recognized by many NFL experts as the epitome of excitement in the NFL, still. Has been that all his career. In my opinion and that of others the MOST EXCITING PLAYER in NFL history??

* NOPE! To emphasize this fact. We don't hate period. Not alot of Red Neck in us types. Gee just for myself. Hate isn't 'the Canadian way' man. It's not attractive to alot of people that see to the end of their lives as a service to the whole.

* Hate!? How about even dislike a three time MVP as a Green Bay Packer? Uhhhh!?? Not likely.

* Hate the man that is recognized as having the most glorious performance in the history of Monday Night Football after his father suddenly passed away??

* Hate a former Green Bay Packer star player that has set every passing record at the QB position.

* HATE !! A man who has led our team to a Super Bowl victory as the Green Bay Packer QB?

Need I go on? Because I could.

GO PACK GO in 2010-11.

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, it's not about what Favre did while he was here. He was a great QB. Still is. He's also one of the longest lasting NFLers ever.

This isn't an ends-justify-the-means world to a lot of people.


Brett, his family and many of his supporters live in a made up dramatic world where much of their self esteem has been gained by Brett being a football player. The Gretta interview where, "after all Favre had done" look what happened to him. Now he's going to get back. Dianna's ridiculous statements throughout the years propping Brett up on a pedestal. When Brett's on the field, this is, "our Brett", but he's, "my Brett". . . .

I think many people, especially most healthy people don't see Brett as a savior. They see excitement for what's next, not doom and gloom because we lost our savior. They see moving on as just fine and part of the business. They see Brett's view of Ted as being a persecutor as immature.

And from there, we're Packer fans. We see Brett going off to the Vikings as a challenge and we're hoping to whip his ass, same way as when Moss mooned us or Culpepper did the roll it in our stadium. Some of us take our sports personally. Brett's whole act, from somewhere in the late 90's until now, he's wanted special treatment as if he was a savior. He got angry when he left, ignoring the normal football decision of moving on and instead pulling a, "after all I've done for you" tantrum. . . . The, "they're afraid to play me comments", the, "they're to smart to put me on a good team" comments. . . . There is a belief from Brett, his family and his supporters that we can't do it without him. Now Packer fans want to prove that we can. Not only will it feel great to do it without a player and fringe fan base who thought our team stunk except for the savior, it will feel even greater to do it against said savior.

In the end, I think Brett's a guy with a fragile ego. He loved being looked at as the savior. He loved being treated special. All of it made him feel larger than life. It was a big part of what made him tick. When someone treated him like a regular teammate, he lost it. In his mind, in many here's mind, Brett rescued this poor franchise out of desolate victimhood only to be persecuted for it by an ego-driven monster. He is a wonderful savior who's only chance is to fight back. This is all just plain ridiculous. It's not reality. It's all in his head. Ted's here doing the best job he can. He's treating all players like good, soldi teammates, not special, not like saviors. Their whole way of looking at life is bizzare and tainted.

In this season, we can crawl out of the shadow. Once and for all, the Packers can stand as a team, not in a made-up drama where Brett was the savior and we were the helpless victim. Now we will step into reality with pride, on our own two feet.

So yeah, this is a kinda big deal.

[Bossman641]

I seriously fucking hate Favre. I have a really hard time trying to figure out how Mobb, Gex, Packerbacker, etc can still defend this guy.

Ahhhhh well it's like this. Some of us really can't hate man. I don't mean to stand in and speak for fine men, but just maybe, it's something like this; or the way I operate or 'at least' sincerely try to operate in my humble life.

*We've a better tuned psyche that includes such positives as compassion, forgiveness.

* We view the sport of football as more entertainment then a life and death struggle.

* Hate isn't a word that is in our vocabulary or is ever used as it demonstrates sincere weakness and a poor reflection on our spirit and soul.

** We look at liife in terms of ' the Big Picture ' and see our lives on down the road as a reflection of who we are today in the most truthful and meaningful sense.

Taken that ** as a given. How could we possibly hate a man that helped bring the Green Bay Packers out of the proverbial aligator swamp? Hate a man that has, as a QB, won so many victories?Set so many passing records? Well when we discuss this aspect of Favre's career. Set all significant passing records and 'the beat goes on'.

* Hate a man, that is recognized by many NFL experts as the epitome of excitement in the NFL, still. Has been that all his career. In my opinion and that of others the MOST EXCITING PLAYER in NFL history??

* NOPE! To emphasize this fact. We don't hate period. Not alot of Red Neck in us types. Gee just for myself. Hate isn't 'the Canadian way' man. It's not attractive to alot of people that see to the end of their lives as a service to the whole.

* Hate!? How about even dislike a three time MVP as a Green Bay Packer? Uhhhh!?? Not likely.

* Hate the man that is recognized as having the most glorious performance in the history of Monday Night Football after his father suddenly passed away??

* Hate a former Green Bay Packer star player that has set every passing record at the QB position.

* HATE !! A man who has led our team to a Super Bowl victory as the Green Bay Packer QB?

Need I go on? Because I could.

GO PACK GO in 2010-11.

HE'S NOT ON THE PACKERS!!! The NFL is a zero-sum game. That right there is reason enough to want to see him fall on his face.

Over the past few years he has shown himself to be a snake. He is a liar, a manipulator, and has a huge sense of entitlement. Are those good human qualities to have Woodbuck?

[ThunderDan]

HE'S NOT ON THE PACKERS!!! The NFL is a zero-sum game. That right there is reason enough to want to see him fall on his face.

Over the past few years he has shown himself to be a snake. He is a liar, a manipulator, and has a huge sense of entitlement. Are those good human qualities to have Woodbuck?

What??? I can't believe you have to spell that out to some people.

When Favre beats the Packers twice and helps MN win the NFC North that causes the Packers a harder time to win the Super Bowl that isn't hurting the Packers.

I can't believe anyone can rationalize at this point that Favre doing well and helping the Vikings doesn't hurt the Packers.

[RashanGary]

What??? I can't believe you have to spell that out to some people.

When Favre beats the Packers twice and helps MN win the NFC North that causes the Packers a harder time to win the Super Bowl that isn't hurting the Packers.

I can't believe anyone can rationalize at this point that Favre doing well and helping the Vikings doesn't hurt the Packers.

The beautiful thing about all of this, winning tends to be a goal. I think the best way to meet a goal is to be honest with self, to be honest with others and to set a plan that leads to success and stick to the plan. That's not to say many-a-drama queen hasn't twisted and manipulated their way into success. In getting that success, there is no fulfillment. It only prolongs the things to a moment where the person looks inside themself in an honest way and begins to live a fulfilling life.

The beauty in all of this, of course this being one guys opinion, is that the Packers I think are run by people (starting with Harlan and his legacy continues on) who are in touch with the most honest truth they can find and as such treat others in the most honest, genuine way possible. There is no saviors, persecutors and victims. There is a focus on being the best they can be, a confidence in their ablity and a belief in setting boundaries and expectations.

Whether Favre wins or loses is meaningless to the big picture. Some people wake up and go to bed with a spiritual sense of contentment and happiness. Others wake up and begin the drama game that masks their hurt inside. Brett can't win by beating the Packers. He can't win by winning the SB and vice-versa for the Packers. The only winners are the ones who feel happiness here on earth.

I have a sense who I think are the enlightened individuals and who are the lost, hurt inside folks.

There is a symbolism, to step out of this built up drama game that Brett and others have boughten into, but the true reality, for today anyway, is that the people who get up and go to sleep feeling good about themselves, their decisions and their place on earth are enjoying life. That's a pretty special thing. Nobody touches that.

But go Pack, symbolicly conquer disfunctional, dishonest behavior. If we do win, chances are the big winner will be Brett who eventually finds a way to look inside himself honestly.

[retailguy]

are you drunk again?

[Pugger]

HE'S NOT ON THE PACKERS!!! The NFL is a zero-sum game. That right there is reason enough to want to see him fall on his face.

Over the past few years he has shown himself to be a snake. He is a liar, a manipulator, and has a huge sense of entitlement. Are those good human qualities to have Woodbuck?

What??? I can't believe you have to spell that out to some people.

When Favre beats the Packers twice and helps MN win the NFC North that causes the Packers a harder time to win the Super Bowl that isn't hurting the Packers.

I can't believe anyone can rationalize at this point that Favre doing well and helping the Vikings doesn't hurt the Packers.

BINGO!

I realize there are fans of Favre around here but a Packer fan shouldn't wish success to the starting QB of the queens - no matter who he is, the bares or the loins. Any success they have will directly effect the Packers and our chances of winning the division and thereafter. Sheesh.

[retailguy]

I got it. You can't be a "football" fan, you must be a "packer" fan.

what a bunch of RUBBISH.

I really dislike Favre for how he has handled this debacle, but telling folks that they can't enjoy his play on the football field is ASININE.

I enjoy all types of football games and teams. I bleed green/gold but I like plenty of people that when they beat Green Bay "hurt" the team.

What a stupid, stupid point of view.

[get louder at lambeau]

I got it. You can't be a "Viking" fan, you must be a "packer" fan.

Corrected it for ya.

[Pugger]

I got it. You can't be a "football" fan, you must be a "packer" fan.

what a bunch of RUBBISH.

I really dislike Favre for how he has handled this debacle, but telling folks that they can't enjoy his play on the football field is ASININE.

I enjoy all types of football games and teams. I bleed green/gold but I like plenty of people that when they beat Green Bay "hurt" the team.

What a stupid, stupid point of view.

Nobody said anything about not enjoying his play but if you want him to succeed wouldn't his and MN's success affect the fortunes of the Packers?

[mngolf19]

What??? I can't believe you have to spell that out to some people.

When Favre beats the Packers twice and helps MN win the NFC North that causes the Packers a harder time to win the Super Bowl that isn't hurting the Packers.

I can't believe anyone can rationalize at this point that Favre doing well and helping the Vikings doesn't hurt the Packers.

The beautiful thing about all of this, winning tends to be a goal. I think the best way to meet a goal is to be honest with self, to be honest with others and to set a plan that leads to success and stick to the plan. That's not to say many-a-drama queen hasn't twisted and manipulated their way into success. In getting that success, there is no fulfillment. It only prolongs the things to a moment where the person looks inside themself in an honest way and begins to live a fulfilling life.

The beauty in all of this, of course this being one guys opinion, is that the Packers I think are run by people (starting with Harlan and his legacy continues on) who are in touch with the most honest truth they can find and as such treat others in the most honest, genuine way possible. There is no saviors, persecutors and victims. There is a focus on being the best they can be, a confidence in their ablity and a belief in setting boundaries and expectations.

Whether Favre wins or loses is meaningless to the big picture. Some people wake up and go to bed with a spiritual sense of contentment and happiness. Others wake up and begin the drama game that masks their hurt inside. Brett can't win by beating the Packers. He can't win by winning the SB and vice-versa for the Packers. The only winners are the ones who feel happiness here on earth.

I have a sense who I think are the enlightened individuals and who are the lost, hurt inside folks.

There is a symbolism, to step out of this built up drama game that Brett and others have boughten into, but the true reality, for today anyway, is that the people who get up and go to sleep feeling good about themselves, their decisions and their place on earth are enjoying life. That's a pretty special thing. Nobody touches that.

But go Pack, symbolicly conquer disfunctional, dishonest behavior. If we do win, chances are the big winner will be Brett who eventually finds a way to look inside himself honestly.

Nice concept but some people never get introspective. So it never will bother them. Many people live in the moment alone, don't care about the future. And won't look back on any decision. And while the Packers org may do some things that others wouldn't concerning treatment of people, they are still a business and that will always be the bottom line.