OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Bretsky]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

Rodgers didn't lose the game by missing Jennings. He could have won it there, I agree, but missing that throw didn't lose the game. Rodgers and his offense still had another shot. Favre's INT on the Packers side of the field pretty much was the final nail in that season's coffin.

That and Favre's INT was a 10 yard pattern while Rodgers' miss was a deep pattern, so the difficulty factor was much higher on Rodgers attempt.

Rodgers' fumble a few plays later lost the game, but it was different circumstances entirely. Look at that infamous photo of the Favre INT again. He was sitting comfortably in the pocket. He made an awful throw and it cost us the game. Rodgers had a defender's finger hooked around his facemask when he fumbled the ball and another guy right there too. Favre, nobody near him. Rodgers, under heavy duress. Huge difference.

Besides, Rodgers has played in just one playoff game in his career. Favre has played in a couple dozen of them now. You'd expect a veteran to handle that pressure better than a second year starter playing in his first postseason overtime would handle it.

My point in this was misintepreted by most. I've noted AROD played a nice game multiple times. What I was pointing out was a simple point. We selectively enforce your above point when in reality you could have applied it to the AZ game as well.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game


And you won't find me criticizing the fumble; that was not on Rodgers IMO
Making the throw would have ended the game; Dagger

[Pugger]

It all comes down to decision making. Rodgers got blasted and maybe he didn't see the blitzer bearing down. Rodgers' biggest flaw in his game is holding onto the ball too long and Packer fans are hoping he won't be as prone to do this as he gets more experience. But the poor decisions Favre has made over many seasons is the difference here. We cut Rodgers a little slack when we discuss the AZ game because it was his first playoff game. When it comes to Favre as a 20 year veteran he should know better than attempting some of the passes he has thrown in big games all these years.

[mraynrand]

When it comes to Favre as a 20 year veteran he should know better than attempting some of the passes he has thrown in big games all these years.

I'm not always a big Jim Rome fan, but this pretty much sums it up accurately:

Uh Oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncoblvNQC48

[Gunakor]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

Rodgers didn't lose the game by missing Jennings. He could have won it there, I agree, but missing that throw didn't lose the game. Rodgers and his offense still had another shot. Favre's INT on the Packers side of the field pretty much was the final nail in that season's coffin.

That and Favre's INT was a 10 yard pattern while Rodgers' miss was a deep pattern, so the difficulty factor was much higher on Rodgers attempt.

Rodgers' fumble a few plays later lost the game, but it was different circumstances entirely. Look at that infamous photo of the Favre INT again. He was sitting comfortably in the pocket. He made an awful throw and it cost us the game. Rodgers had a defender's finger hooked around his facemask when he fumbled the ball and another guy right there too. Favre, nobody near him. Rodgers, under heavy duress. Huge difference.

Besides, Rodgers has played in just one playoff game in his career. Favre has played in a couple dozen of them now. You'd expect a veteran to handle that pressure better than a second year starter playing in his first postseason overtime would handle it.

My point in this was misintepreted by most. I've noted AROD played a nice game multiple times. What I was pointing out was a simple point. We selectively enforce your above point when in reality you could have applied it to the AZ game as well.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game


And you won't find me criticizing the fumble; that was not on Rodgers IMO
Making the throw would have ended the game; Dagger

You could apply it to every single game that goes into overtime. What's your point? Favre's fuck up in his 22nd playoff game is justified because of Rodgers' fuck up in his 1st playoff game?

We weren't talking about AZ. We were talking about NY NFCCG. This is about Favre, not Rodgers. I'm done comparing the two. I can hate Favre without bringing up Rodgers.

[falco]

I agree that Rodgers blew that threw to Jennings; I don't even call it acceptable because of his inexperience.

The difference is, Rodgers threw an incomplete pass and then was sacked for a fumble while trying to make a play on 3rd down.

On Favre's INTs against Philly, NYG and the Saints, they were unnecessary forced throws. I think that is the big difference. On all of them, Favre could have tucked the ball in and the team had another chance.
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[Packerarcher]

I like Rodgers but his turnover in a playoff game is NO different than Favre turning it over.

[mraynrand]

I like Rodgers but his turnover in a playoff game is NO different than Favre turning it over.

Of course there is a difference - every turnover has a context. For example, in the past, I've been one of Favre biggest defenders in games like the playoff game at St. Louis. I still maintain that he played reasonably well that game, given the circumstances, and was only responsible for 1-2 of the first three interceptions. The last three occurred way after the game was in the bag for St. Louis.

Still, Favre has thrown some of the most absurd, laughable, horrible, unforced interceptions I have ever seen in playoff history. Certainly no other HOF QB has torpedoed three conference championship games and at least one divisional game with entirely unforced INTs. So far, Rodgers' INTs don't come close. I hope they never do.

[Scott Campbell]

I like Rodgers but his turnover in a playoff game is NO different than Favre turning it over.

Nobody shrieked "THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN, THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL" after Rodgers play.

[Pugger]

I like Rodgers but his turnover in a playoff game is NO different than Favre turning it over.

Of course there is a difference - every turnover has a context. For example, in the past, I've been one of Favre biggest defenders in games like the playoff game at St. Louis. I still maintain that he played reasonably well that game, given the circumstances, and was only responsible for 1-2 of the first three interceptions. The last three occurred way after the game was in the bag for St. Louis.

Still, Favre has thrown some of the most absurd, laughable, horrible, unforced interceptions I have ever seen in playoff history. Certainly no other HOF QB has torpedoed three conference championship games and at least one divisional game with entirely unforced INTs. So far, Rodgers' INTs don't come close. I hope they never do.

No, Packerarcher. Rodgers fumble is much different than Favre's INT in NO because of decision making. Rodgers' INT in AZ was bad but I'll cut him some slack because it was his first playoff game and it was early in the game. He may have held onto the ball too long in OT and got hit and fumbled. But AR didn't force a dumb pass like Favre did with the game on the line.

mraynrand, I don't know if I'd be as generous as you are with Favre and that playoff game in St. Louis. He turned it over SIX times and that is horrendous no matter how you slice it.

[Joemailman]

There's really no defending Arod's early INT in that game. He could have easily stepped out of bounds, but instead threw the ball across his body into the middle of the field. Who knows? Maybe the Packers win that game if regulation if he doesn't throw that INT. The fumble in OT is actually more understandable because he needed to complete that pass or punt the ball back to Arizona.

Both Rodgers' early INT and Favre's late INT were foolish plays by QB's who should have known better.

[Fritz]

After reading that Jolly's trial has been postponed - again - this question popped into my head:

What will happen first, Jolly's trial or Favre's retirement?

[retailguy]

After reading that Jolly's trial has been postponed - again - this question popped into my head:

What will happen first, Jolly's trial or Favre's retirement?

global warming.

[cheesner]

I like the Packers defensive chances this year with the new influx of talent on the defensive line as well as the increased experience of our LB corps. I think adding another ball hawking S in Burnett will be the biggest defensive impact however. Burnett is still good in the box, but will add an additional dimension in the defensive passing game.







(There. After reading Vince's intelligent defensive analyst thread getting hijacked by Favre haters/lovers I wanted to turn the table and hijack a Favre thread for some football talk.)

[channtheman]

In regards to the St. Louis playoff game in which Favre turned the ball over 6 times and most of them were allegedly when the game was out of hand I have to be happy we have Rodgers as our QB even more. When we were down 31-10 most would agree the game was out of hand. Does Rodgers start chucking up 40 yard bombs to nobody that get picked off though? No, he leads his team all the way back to tie the game and give them a chance to win it.

[ThunderDan]

In regards to the St. Louis playoff game in which Favre turned the ball over 6 times and most of them were allegedly when the game was out of hand I have to be happy we have Rodgers as our QB even more. When we were down 31-10 most would agree the game was out of hand. Does Rodgers start chucking up 40 yard bombs to nobody that get picked off though? No, he leads his team all the way back to tie the game and give them a chance to win it.

Some of us still believed!!!